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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forever Exiled, I'm Justin aka tags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Namthall, our record of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode, three, three, seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 337 of our podcast together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Recorded a little bit late, but here we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much for joining.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take a break for a burp, and yeah, we just, we just get into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any special dates to acknowledge before the next podcast?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, goodness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've had a bit of a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron, I know, but Justin sometimes he fakes it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he kind of is a Ron Burgundy for those who have ever seen anchorman just reads everything that's on the teleprompter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't checked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were, we're ringing this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This week's going to be a short episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We both had very tight schedules, specifically around a recording time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're just, yeah, if there are special dates, we'll tell you about it next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, not this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not Mother's Day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we've anything to wish anybody for anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of yours just had the middle of the march.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Middle of the march.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How was your week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This might be the first time I've sat down all week, um, busy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just busy and busy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's the first week of spring break, which is nice for my daughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Technically had two birthdays this week, um, because my wife,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we're a single car family and my wife was working on her birthday so we split the birthday festivities for her day but she's she's very particular but she wanted on certain days and other days and we're fine like we're very strict parents um

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[SPEAKER_01]: with both how the kids act and then things that have access to and all that kind of stuff but when it comes to birthdays, they're like spoiled little brats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's still not a lot to be rude, of course, but it's not to be generous and thoughtful, but it's their day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was funny just how the day progressed and the things that we did

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like when the big stuff happened, do you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's turning 13, which is a big deal for any kid and for my Daughter she's been like ever since she's been like, I don't know 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like all I'm two more years to know I'm a teenager It's like all I'm almost a teenager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to act this way or right no dad I don't want any help with this because I'm trying to be a teenager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean like all this kind of stuff Yeah, yeah, it's all wonderful, but now she finally is and

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, we did made things a little bit more special than a typical birthday, even though we'd typically try and spoil not with gifts, but with just a tension and choices and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We try and spoil them on their day and so, violet, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We spoiled her, we got her a kid's spa package, which was really nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The kids wouldn't a kid's spa package.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she got a massage, get designed for kids and then a manicure and a pedicure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Violet was like, she'd probably had it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They made me take off everything, but my underwear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, so you had your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still felt very private.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was really cute to have her explain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like that, that massage, she's the whole body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like your arms, whole body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even my neck and my scalp, dead, scalp, was dead, scalp, it was so cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was the next day, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we couldn't drive her on her day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we also got her a hamster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we've never done like an arrow dance since I know where we get to task like yesterday We get a dog the day after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's a monster, but my daughter's wanted to hamster for a long time And so we finally got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know it's going to last you as part of the gift is that Aaron and I are going to pay for the The shavings, you know, and like the small little things that the kids make 20 bucks

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on three, five bucks a week with the newspaper room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No other kid their age has a job anyway in our area of the world anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, they have utils of money compared to their buddies, but at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't, I'm not going to ask them to spend their savings on something that's cost more than they make them a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that was part of the gift, and then of course, the spa tree was part of the gift.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on the way to spa vile, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the way back home, she's like, Dad, can I sit in the front seat and I'm like, what the?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, she's not, she's not a pestery kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't ask things twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what the?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it clicked, I'm like, oh, mom said when you were third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, yeah, I'm like, why didn't you say so?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we ask and we're like going on the B.C.

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[SPEAKER_01]: website double checks for kids who lots sitting in the front seat and there's actually no like there's almost no change for another rate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No it's like there is going to come with car seats and certain ages but it's height and then but even if you have like a hundred kids it just put the if you have a hundred kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the policeman pulls you over as long as you have the tallest kid in the front seat, it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's BC law.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like 70s with seat belts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so I let her drive home in the front seat and she just finished from a saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has her like pedicure nails on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She looks around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like she's looking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said like a hundred times on the way home and she probably thought it was like only once a now or even also only a ten minute drive and she's like, Dad, I feel so grown up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was such an adult birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a really good week, but it was busy and of course, like brand new puppy stuff and then puppy appointments and Getting used to the puppy pee and poo schedule, which sounds stupid, but if you've ever had a puppy, it's important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, have ever seen best in show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those hilarious, like, cath or no hair accommodation from way back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about, like, the premise is about people that are using their show dogs and just how crazy and absurd that situation can be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to work in the hotel industry and so sometimes in a pet show would come to town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to the point where we just refuse them because of how

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[SPEAKER_01]: funny enough realistic that show could be, but it's like there's one of those times where it's like a dog loses its squeaky toy or the owners lose the dog squeaky toy and they're panicking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the end of the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now find the squeaky thing that they're just panicking and freaking out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My joke is, is that's kind of what it's like when a dog wakes up from a nap, or if a dog takes a big drink of water, if it's a puppy, you have a 10 minute clock on that big drink of water, and then you're outside with a dog, or if the dog wakes up from a nap, you're immediately going outside, and then you're good, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Deprioritize the piece stuff right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as the walk training going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The dog's catching on so... Oh sweet, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, we've seen multiple sources now from the adoption agency and other things where it's like you, okay, so like three days, three weeks, three months, three days, they're terrified of their mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but they also might be testing their limits and their boundaries figuring things out because they're finally comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you're going to see who they actually are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're only at the one week mark, we've done the dog last Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the dog's really coming out of its shell, but it was hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When my old dog went to the vet,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like Disneyland for the dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She absolutely loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas when this dog stalks terrified of everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like my choice to size already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 44 pounds now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's already game two pounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 44 pounds and it's pissing on my feet when we're in the vet's dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so scared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hilarious though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's been a great week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just haven't tied a chance to breathe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice to be here with you, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, ma'am, but considering what we introduced the podcast with with scheduling and fun, you've had a busy week, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I actually, uh, this week off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first time I've ever taken a week vacation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and i'm coming to the end of it now and it was almost not even close to stress free it was decent like it was it i really enjoyed it because it's the first week of spring break and crescent also took it off so like we got to hang out you know a lot just hanging out all of us together we just uh... we weren't going anywhere we were just going to stay here and just do stuff around town and

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't haven't figured out yet how to fully unplug, but I did a pretty good job this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, baby steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know until the day I was taking it off that there had been a I think you're on a week off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, keep that content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't made a mark for a cough in like I talked for nine minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope everybody really likes my daughter as much as I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was I saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just, yeah, my work was threatened, apparently by my wife and our HR lady to leave me alone during the week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and they do a decent job of it, but yeah, I feel like I need almost another week to fully not be connected, but that's like an app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: back on Monday, and I'm terrified to open my email, but I don't know, it was a nice week off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a copy of the past fuck you, I can't even understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting, but I'm in my email and say like, I don't respond to everybody until the moment I'm porting they are and I'll get to them later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh but yeah we um it was actually I I really had a good time like we watched movies watched a lot of old movies with the kids it's like honey I shrunk the kids and I'm trying to remember all the ones that we worked through probably that's cool a lot of old school movies so yeah it was just a lot of hang you know and then um yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: Friday was only my only real busy day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the rest of it was we had stuff that we were doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was yeah, like it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We went around town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My brother was off, so hung out with him and his kids a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We used to like each other a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every now and then just depends on the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds exhausting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I started working out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started working out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll talk to you about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't want to talk about it on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you like, shut yourself every single time you do a curl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm making some, making some changes with the, the back and moving forward and some plans moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I started working out in stretching and it's been pathetic, seriously pathetic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you haven't been able to properly work out and we're talking like I'm doing Oh shit, what's the name of it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Perry Spinal muscles or something something that affected, it's like muscles like wrapped around your spine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And something made up to make you sound cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need to make I need to be working on those and so I've done some research and I was doing some and these are like just like calicinic type stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just your body like not it's like it's barely your body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my back is hitting failure when I do like sets of 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I do like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like feeling like I'm doing something again, but yeah, it was a very relaxing, chill week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Small relax I've been in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So after redo my stupid blood thing that I had on For the 24 hours the blood pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to redo it because I was sick during it and was on medication while I was doing it Which the hospital knew that but they still put it on and my doctors like that's useless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't use that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like Mother So angry and my numbers were so high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, that's probably why

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, though, I got to congratulate you, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a big set of Colonies to work out like a complete weenie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So good for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really pathetic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was laughing, but with my brother, like, to what you would say, I would never have thought that I would these, these things would, you know, get me to the point where I actually was struggling to do them, because of how simple they seem, but I actually do like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like feeling like I'm doing something again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Life is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my son.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're still dying early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm heck no one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every one of our friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all going to live like we're all like whatever some apathetic, some not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the one that's going to live forever just because I'm the one that's been gimped for forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have been trying so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm living forever to I know you I know you are and you've been working really hard at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I know you're dying first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No promise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is discernment speaking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a goner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, yeah, it was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a new job, so that was really exciting for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, life is good, Ben.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, you know, sometimes you go through some stuff, and you deal with it, but I'm just good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what do we do now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Path of Exile?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're not doing a normal episode, because we can't do a super long one just at our time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so tight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did play this week, and so I wanted to bring up a couple things regarding Path of Exile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know as a couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ask me about my week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you play anything?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I try to squeeze in a couple of things, path one because it's league and I like the community because it's not cross platform.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do need to play on the PC to be involved with our community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not vocal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never, like, typing while I'm playing it just never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, point is it's like I try I only do legal on the computer so that I can see 21 21 scrolling by and I love it, love it, love it, love it, even though I don't say I don't even remember to say hi often when I side into the things so I do enjoy it, but because it's PC only I'm a lot more restricted for when I can just oh shoot I have 40 minutes while I'm boiling water what can I do so that I didn't have an opportunity to play this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't want to do them like our normal notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some things that happened on just quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was they actually bugged up the server.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're servers and they did and it wasn't DDOS stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I couldn't vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, you know, us as the other one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they had some of their servers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, they had their configuration broken when they did a patch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which was allowing to waste the number of players to a server.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they fixed it and good on them for calling out the fact that that's what they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then they put out some raw stat, statics which statistics which is cool and then there's a pot, apparently a big change regarding the raw challenge league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which they're, I don't know, it says with 320, 0C, I have no idea, which version we're on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I played it a little bit this week and then I stopped and okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the new stuff that they brought in, remember we were talking about like the influence thing, like, oh, have you got to the influence yet and I had not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so I'm currently, I will hold on, let me find this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 15.5.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to put 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, just because.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, going to be late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to mute my sass and not my cough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to wind you to get you one of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can just hit the button and mute yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then we'll quit the podcast right after we spend money to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the influence thing, I'm 95.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I didn't even try to level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The progress as you're working through the Atlas is awesome because you can push it as high as you want through the whole thing I could run T-16s which I did for almost the entire Atlas What's interesting though is like how they do the void stones?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to work your way out to the corners to even know what that Void stone requirement's gonna be

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went to the bottom left, and that was the voidstone that was required you to kill Syrian ex-ark and eat her worlds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you kill those two, and then you get this voidstone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the voidstone adds things across the entire Atlas, but then also adds things to its quadrant, so the bottom left quadrant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're into four quadrants again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you put the voice don't in and it gives you one thing that is across them and then it gives you a couple that are specific to that quadrant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the ones that are specific to the quadrant are things like tier 115 don't drop as they drop with something else instead of maps and you have a better chance of T60 maps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the maps is staying for me in this new Atlas is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been

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[SPEAKER_00]: map sustain, which is weird, because we used to have to really do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel like I had to at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so you get the void zone at the bottom right, and then I went to the, I think, I think around that time is when flu helped me with Maven, the Maven one, and so then I noticed that that was the bottom right one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to work your way to it first before you can put the voidstone in, so even though I had the voidstone,

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[SPEAKER_00]: earlier on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't slot it in until I actually did the maps down to the very bottom corner, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did the very bottom corner, put the voids in and now I have to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I worked up to the top right-hand corner, which was doing um, shape or an elder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the way that they give you the void stones to me is way better than it used to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, and so at this point I had three void stones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also level probably 92 at that time, so I'm 93, and I go, okay, well, the next step is for me to work up towards the top left, which I already knew that that was the memory tiers with Egan and Zana, that there was something in there to get this fourth void stone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I work my way up to the top left,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still, I'm 94, 93, 94.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still have no idea what influence is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen anything about influence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm working my way up towards the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I finally asked in 2021, I was like, hey, what am I missing something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm 94.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm working my way to the top left corner, but like my Atlas is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: almost completely finished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if I'm missing like what happens?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, oh, you got to finish the Zana timeline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you the one Zana does her change to the Atlas, that's when it kicks in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sure enough, I go up to the top left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do the Zana storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you do have to do top left to get influence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it wasn't until I get Zana to change where she changes the Atlas to the red, glowing, burning, type

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm given an astralab, and an astralab or astralab, I don't know, is the thing that you apply to a map in a quadrant and it gives you that sort of snake-doubt version of influence, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we used to see with shape or another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I placed it on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the quest changes to you need to complete this, you need to complete serums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, many notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to complete this

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[SPEAKER_00]: The maps in the influence area, and so each map in the influence area gets a new role on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like increased scarabs, increased currency, like it changes things, maybe makes things hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember, but they all have different modifiers on the maps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you beat a map, the influence disappears from that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it seems like some of the bonuses push.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to the end, and then you complete the final one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's not about manipulating it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's simply about getting rid of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because so once I beat it, then it said, now do this in the other three quadrants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but, but the Astralab is like a percentage chance to drop from bosses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I still, I'm 95 now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: still haven't seen another one drop, so I've never been able to put another influence on to another corner, and it does not work like, you remember, Shaper and Elder, this idea of them like fighting against each other, and you beat one and the other one sort of consumes that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What reminds me of is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could remember who did it, but there was a one of the master masters you would get a thing where you get like a memory or something that you would do like for that's what this is it's just it's colored it differently in the sense that it's given it a

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[SPEAKER_00]: to make it look like it's an influence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, but it is the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just it picks a bunch of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You beat those ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's bigger benefits as you work your way through to the end and then you get the last one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what's weird to me is I'm playing destructive play, which means I have so many bosses on every single map because I fall clear and then kill the boss and then you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what's your name, Maeve, and brings in all these other bosses?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still haven't seen another one drop, and what sucks is had I known to go to the top left first, then maybe I would have experienced more as I cleared out the rest of the Alice, but I didn't, I did the top left last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's also not, it's not, it's not told anywhere that I need to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for me, what happened is I burnt out like by the time I got to the point of unlocking the influence, I had full clear the Alice, I was level 95, so it kind of sucked because I was like, well, I've done, I probably did, I don't know, maybe 40

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, you know, I don't understand it and people in chat or even like there's not a huge benefit to it, which is fine, but it's too bad that it's so gated, but like I don't know either make it obvious that I need to go that route first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if it's going to be something that affects everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even then, if it's something that's a core mechanic for the entire map, you don't have it in one set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, you are supposed to go to the top left first and then do everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't make sense with a design of the map itself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the part of, like, you know how the envoy just shows up in maps randomly as you're going through something like that that unlocks it instead because it's part of the entire play of the entire Atlas you don't like if it's something like the other three voids don't make sense for that regards right you have a fourth voids don't that also cooperates in the same way okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that'll make sense, but to have Zana's thing from the way that you described it from how I understand it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense to have it as part of the natural progress, not E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E

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[SPEAKER_00]: gives you the four maps or whatever that you need to complete for his storyline and then at each time you do that you fight a new boss and I think you do it three different times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's possible that I could have while I was doing when I got to T14's because I did get Egan and I went through his first set and I noticed up in the top left which again I had not worked up into the top left yet that I was starting to see the marks for the the memories that I completed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason that I didn't do more of them at the time was because I was like, well, I may as well wait till I work up to the top left corner and then do them because I can't use the voids don't anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's unfortunate is I didn't know that the influence was completely dependent on completing that portion of the Atlas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that his storyline was what was going to lead to the influence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there is something in there like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: story that I that I missed that was like Zana had something to do with this influence and that's why she's supposed to do it, which is possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I I wish I had gone there first or figured something out to then have the benefit as as I completed, which I was doing T-16s for all of them, but I could have had the chance to have this item drop that would have increased my influence in the other one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's again, that's not a user fault, that's a design fault, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you know your choice is ahead of time, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't, yeah, give me some, you're really missing out on something where the MinMax part, which is how the game functions, it's all about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounds like it's weird to miss out when you are playing the way you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like from the people in 2021 that there wasn't a huge benefit to doing them anyway, which is too bad because maybe that's something they're going to change down the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't something people focused on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say like the Atlas in Atlas passively and puy, one is still by far my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's my favorite thing they've designed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love playing with that thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love my the ability for me to manipulate it and control what my next map is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, it's really fun to have that much agency over what the map is going to be like when I play it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also started to hit a point where I hit it all the time in Path of Exile where I'm just like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know what to do next because I don't have...

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I could have upgraded my gear, but I was like, but for what I'm not I'm not trying to do the Uber stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just sort of enjoying what I really want to do was experience what this new endgame was and I was a bit let down by the fact that I had found it at the very end of being burned out like by 95.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I should have found it five levels earlier for sure at least five levels earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was really having fun manipulating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like what they've changed with the map system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love what they've changed actually with the map system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love this tier 11 through 16 and you're just putting on whatever map you want to play like that is I think it's just great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a good change for the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish that I'd gone to experience some of this stuff at an earlier level so that I could have played it before I was like, yeah, I'm kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The mirror, the mirage stuff was cool, but I think one of the things I liked about this league is that I never felt forced to go into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, I, there were, I would do maps, and I would look at the options and be like, I really care, and I could move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that actually one of my favorite leagues is one of my favorite leagues just because of the accessibility and deniability of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can go in, sure I'm getting the extra XP, there's extra mobs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like beyond, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you're fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what that's why I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not changing anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like last league where it's like I've got to run around and clear and then do this and then protect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like blight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just dirt there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: those options don't interest me see them and I keep mapping or oh yeah I like that one let's go do that and then I go do that quick and it's the exact same experience no little times back and I'm doing the exact same thing it's probably my favorite one not because of interest not because of fun but because it's not in the way but when I am doing it it's the exact experience for why I turned on Path of Excel in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean like for me I don't like almost any league that they have core they don't really correspond well with the reason that i turn on path of excel and i do all this theory crafting i just like that one experience where i'm i'm in the map i'm doing the map i'm manipulating that map and that experience and this really really works for it so it's probably my one one of my favorite i mean if we went through remember those we've had a few episodes where we have like

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've listed every league and we've tiered them into our favorites.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This would be up there, but again, not because of creativity, just the ease of access.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually think that on the creativity side is like it's quite clever too, because it gives you a...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that wasn't criticizing at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I just want to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's cool about it is that if I...

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may as well just stop talking to my stop talking and I cough so you just get let me talk the rest of the episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what are things that's cool about it, too, is you click it to see if it's something that interests you, but also as you progress through your Alice, passively, and you're building them absolutely what you want them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then you're also looking at like, well, where is this person?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the area?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to cover?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm expecting to strongboxes, which means I'm going to get to open them again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's cool is that the mirage can affect those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like a strongbox can re-roll itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you've got a strongbox that just drops scarabs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you get a big benefit in heist, then heist is so cool because

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[SPEAKER_00]: It will drop, if you're, if you're expecting the highest where you can get blue prints to drop, the blue prints will drop with an in chant on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like it will specifically allow you to target.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is only going to have unique replicas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is only going to have armaments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like for me the Mirage part is really cool, but not because it blows my mind with like, oh my god, this is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that it's so easy to play it or not play it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, and yeah, it has been very good for me in that sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish that the end game stuff that they came out with wasn't so, so, so, so end game or

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[SPEAKER_00]: give me some heads up like that I should have done that because I would have much rather completed the Atlas while having the chance of having these astralabs drop even if they're useless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to experience it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to know like right now, my quest is do it for the other three quadrants?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that will take me so long to play to get them to drop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen a single one drive yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, but I could have while I was completing the Atlas have done it, which then it would have been fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'm going to maybe I know for next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, yeah, but that's still a dumb thing to need to know for next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like min-maxings good for knowing, but basic mechanics and accessibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we just praised Mirage for being highly accessible whereas what you're talking about in the end game, not accessible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not in the near.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's wrong with starting in the bottom left and working your way counterclockwise?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do anything wrong, but you got penalized for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if I had known that I should have pushed that you can quest, that I didn't, I know what Zana's quest is because I did, you can before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did the fact that she tries to destroy the Alice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe in the right up for what this league was going to be, they said like Zana's bringing influence over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't read that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that was the case, I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember quest ever telling me you should go and finish this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed the league getting to 95 seemed to weigh too easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish that I got to experience the endgame stuff sooner, but on the Mirage side, I think they've done a stellar job with this league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super super fun to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to sign off quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a short episode as we stated earlier, but I have one question for you just because you're talking about burnout and now they have two games going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that maybe it's easier to burn out from path 1?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or not necessarily from path 1, but do you think maybe, to me I find path of X all one, it's obviously a better game currently because of what's available and how fine tuned it is, but the experience itself to me is boring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a stats game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and then my character for the most part doesn't do anything right you do the exact same buttons, but it's not like you're ducking your dodge and you're moving like you do with the you know in a boss fight maybe, but when you're mapping you really just move click.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, popular guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bing, bong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in Path 1, it's basically a stats game, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're just moving, you hit your skill button, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But your character just stands there, move, kill, move, clear, move, clear, move, clear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a very boring experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they've realized that to some point, because Path of Excel 2 is adding a lot of engagement, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the dodge, you have the sprint, you have the mechanics that you're designed to move around much more, a lot more obvious tells with their bosses, that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Engaging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, again, the game play mechanics through all in different stages of development, but do you think part of Path of Excel once burnout for use the fact that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You really don't do anything because, like you said, I could get more gear, but that doesn't actually change the game for you because it's the exact same game play no matter what, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's a factor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, my burnout in Pathvix01 comes from when I've completed and had the fun that I wanted to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find Pathvix01 still gives me...

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[SPEAKER_00]: control of moving around a bit, dodging stuff, it has no visibility at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just, it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what is happening on the screen, but I, you know, I have a rough idea of like where I am or what should be happening, but there is the visual clarity in Pathofixo one's terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, my burnout just comes where I'm like, well, I don't need to do anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not because I got bored of like in the sense of what you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like where I feel like I'm just a stats stick walking around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like okay I've done the stuff and I don't need to do anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or I don't want to push to that further part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, Path of Exile 2 on the other hand, I do prefer Path of Exile 2, but there's just nothing to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like, like, like, Paddavix 01, there's stuff I could do, but I don't need to, or I have already done it, or something, Paddavix 02 just lacks the stuff, and lacks the, I think one of the biggest struggles right now in Paddavix 02.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Path of XL1, you can go in a lot of directions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can play in a ton of directions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Path of XL2 doesn't feel like that yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that that's gonna change, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got many more classes, many more supports, many more skills, but right now it feels like when you play Path of XL2, you're picking a direction, and it's a predetermined direction for how you should play that character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't feel like to, though, even when it comes to skill combos and everything, it's not this is what you could play, it's this is what you should play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that will change, but I think that's why PoE1 for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't burn out in PoE1 because I'm necessarily bored, it's just because I feel like I've done what I wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In PoE2, we don't feel like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: PoE2, I'm like, there's nothing to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't have something to do now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they know it's funny because I'm playing the game and I love my I love the direction I'm going I love the direction of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the mirage thing my build is super strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please insanely easy and but I'm bored.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like my atlas pass of tree

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't enough motivation for me to keep going because I literally just do nothing when I'm in my mask now again I plan my build around being like an AFK or zero button build So I get that part but what I'm saying is even if I was doing like it's the same three button same three buttons Whatever click a move click move like you said you can't see yourself so you're just doing your stuff and to me It's not engaging so

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[SPEAKER_01]: Progressing my Atlas and progressing my Atlas pass of tree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not motivation enough for me to go through the mundane experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like once I know that my builds really working well, I'm like, okay, I know it's going to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's just going to get stronger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and so the experience itself is not fun and the motivation isn't enough to make me go through that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas with path 2, I found myself thinking about path 2 a lot while I was doing my zombie guardian path 1 because I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what, I'm really enjoying the zombies again, like I'm forced to do zombies instead of the Reaper because of the, um, you don't want to give you the right, the right, yeah, I don't want it to consume that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, so forcing to do this, but now I'm like, okay, well, yeah, and I'm thinking about the, what, are they called Reapers in the skeletal Reapers?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they are in the the cleaver ones, the physical ones, they're kind of like zombies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not, yeah, reverse, reverse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the reverse, that's right, and then there's

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know I could do that and I could do this and I'm thinking because the game itself is more engaging I mean have the boss fights drive me absolutely nuts and the arena's drive me nuts The ascending drives me nuts like all those things of course that we've already talked about But the gameplay experience itself is so much more fun for me and so I actually found myself it's kind of like the whole like Betty and Veronica bit but I'm like is it Betty and Veronica?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's Wilma and Betty and Veronica and Veronica if you're talking to Archie

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, Archie, right, I get Flintstones and Archie mixed up all the time, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was playing Path of Excel one, but that was looking over my shoulder path too, just because the gameplay itself, the process is more fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not enough there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like one of the things that I do think is a good thing is that I can find fun in both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my reason for stopping is quite different in each of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other it's weird because I get the same thing what you're talking about because when I'm playing Path of Excel 2 and I complete a set of maps and I get points to spend in the Atlas, I am 100% looking over my shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Path of Excel 2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want that Atlas passive tree though, it's so much more engaging, it's so much more fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, maybe that's a not a bad thing that the each game has its own thing, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I actually, it maybe it is not a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're going to see a renewal of Path of Excel to every four months, it's kind of nice to have something to do in the middle, because I cannot do Path of Excel to four months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's impossible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see a reason to have to not combine the best of both worlds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, there's still no reason to have both games with the exception of a lack of confidence in your, you're sick, they're in profit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play so different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they do, but at the same time life goes on, move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Companies move on, games move on, like you can't just, you know, like you playing Assassin's Creed 1 and 20 at the same time, at some point you move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe way down the road that happens for them, but that is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: massively down the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could, they just can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they've made some really big choices to make them this different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they've changed stuff that I don't know why they changed it in path 2 from path 1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like path 2 didn't need much to be different from path 1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious what their intention is with both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've seen some changes from two and one impact the other the very next league within two months, which I think is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's be curious to be a fly on the wall here how they're talking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we can't do that because we wanted to be this in separate from past one or maybe they don't care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they'll end up merging to be the same game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I hear it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Until you part of this conversation after X, we got to wrap this up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, thanks a little bit for hanging out for episode 337 of Forever X. I'll just make a text.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm burping and I'm, um, Tyler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi.

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