Lots of DH Stuff and Lots of Hope

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to ForeverExside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Justin aka Tanks I'm Tyler, record of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you time that to sip a coffee very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that sarcastic?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was a couple of thanks, just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a guarded.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I was just like a hotel because we need to reload our discord conversation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't stand discord.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, you're an hour late and your reaction to us is not you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's discord, but so you want just going to come back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it's just the the the reaction was delayed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's he can't even hear me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He already left a discord conversation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll just leave now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who cares who cares about that?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Team Justin.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever man whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like I was in the middle of talking or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a dick hole man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We were talking about dick holes before the conversation before we started recording.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I laughed to myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know you did, I know you did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because you're a dick hole.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, but anyway, because you gave the compliment, but then I had this completely unrelated facial expression because our conversation is delayed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: couldn't tell how Dick Holy you were being, but it ended up not at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Episode 3 and 27, forever, excelled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are at that number most likely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Big shout out to your patrons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jack's in 31 for joining up this week and everybody who's re-subbed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We love your faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patron is our access to Afterdark, which is our podcast after the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where we just keep dropping gems, you know?

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[SPEAKER_04]: We got to come up with something pure we related to it has something that like can relate to de-holes so I can put de-hole in the title.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can't put them, so we'll think of something in you in the week, but yeah, just drop in gems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Up in gems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Drop in gems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Gotta go to the bathroom, drop some gems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had a fine week, it was good, man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Super crappy health week, but it all good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the kids are great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My wife took some time off of works.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We got spent some extra time together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that was nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so did some panic birthday shopping.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Spend all of her birthdays at the end of the month and

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it's, I mean, eventually, eventually, but I, I was so desperate for a gift.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually paid for shipping.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Justin.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it wasn't on Amazon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't anything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was actually through Canadian tire and something that he wanted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Only Vernon Canadian tire had.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No one else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you see, I had 11 or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do like shipping to from store to store for free?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought you could with Canadian Tyre thought you could, but maybe it wasn't an option on the website or it wasn't clear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it was like, I had to, it was like I would live really hidden in the bottom of the HUD.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had to hit RB and that's, you know, like, but there wasn't any other thing pointing out the RB button.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, um...

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but did that and I think we're all set up now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did the classic.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did I give you any chapters stories, you know, indigo?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so no.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so desperate for his gifts that I go to another town to do all of his birthday shopping work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You all get something weird.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, is it just that I'm so hot?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't focus on the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just listening to some of my stories.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sitting back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I know it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, so I'm and I spend like my whole day and I'm be like I shouldn't even be driving at night And it's just like a brutal day, but I go to all the stores can't find anything the shelves are just empty The whole supply and demand bit like the area flooding I guess that just recently happened shoot

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to give them a hard time because, you know, this is not even like the flood that happened.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like five years ago, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I was still kicking around and my son, we didn't go shopping for my son's January birthday before Christmas this year because he's at that stage where it's like you're not sure what you want, you know what I mean and your, your interests are changing often and the interest that you've had for a long time, you still really like, but.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You've been interested in them so long.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not the things you're excited for anymore.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they'd be a solid gift, but they're on the lower end of the excitement list.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like Pokemon cards, for example.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, sweet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got some, but he knows he's going to get a whole bunch of duds in the pack, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm looking around everything's empty.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm having a super crappy time finding all this stuff out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And nope, it's gone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: totally forgot, but totally forgot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you know, all that driving around it didn't come up with some on one day, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And but so I ordered a couple things of course, but I actually think we're also going to this is funny because he like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: He just loves talking about things that we have in common, of course, and maybe I have too much of a glazed look when he's talking about stuff I don't know like Minecraft legends or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: True.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He brings up things like path of exile a lot and other things that he knows that I'm familiar with

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[SPEAKER_04]: but he's really into POE and we let him play POE, it's all good and so what we actually one of his gifts is going to be the Path of Excel 2 beta and then four or a couple stash tabs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nice, that's cool and I mean you can't really gift that you doesn't have a way to make anything specific.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just like here's an Xbox gift card.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to have your

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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is specifically for this and then a couple of the purchases.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this will be neat, but I really don't remember why I brought up chat.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I did the really stupid like I'm going to go that old naive dad now that can't catch up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I was at a toy store and they just happen to have some books on clearance and I'm trying to like my kids are really into books like all of her has almost every single warriors book that exists except for a couple of the backstory ones and then there's the new series that's come out that only has two or three books.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he's purchased them all like all 50 whatever books with his own cash is bookshelves of them and my daughter's really into a few and we got them Indigo gift cards for Christmas 50 bucks so they could go instead of going to like a used bookstore Big go to a new store and spend a stupid amount of money on the books, but it was designed so that they could see like all the options that are available and we don't have any big

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[SPEAKER_04]: big bookstores here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's we had to go somewhere else for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's what we did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then that was a total bust because my son knew what he was looking for immediately, which I guess is fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what the cards are for, but we were hoping they would like discover stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then my daughter, she only purchased one book, didn't even want to look around.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it was just like grumpy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody's like fighting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was like the worst, you know, family extravaganza ever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Totally.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, at the end of the day it worked, but the event itself was

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was trying like the idea was to like introduce them to like look at all these cool new covers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Look at all the cool stories you could do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to like obsess over one or two stories.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You could obsess over 30, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And just expand their horizons a bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm still forcing the issue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So for his birthday, I'm like getting him a book series he's never heard of.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And because it looks epic on the front and I, I googled the cover and it's like, yeah, no parents have to, it's all good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no smoochie woochie or anything and I'm like, all right, I'm trusting you, A.I.

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[SPEAKER_04]: even though you're absolutely idiotic when I ask you about anything else.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I bought on the book, it was on sale and I bought my daughter one as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, oh, sweet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're only 10 bucks each.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I get to the counter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's 10 bucks for both because it was two for one and there wasn't even a sign for it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Some like, man, this is like dad waiting all over the place, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then on the way, like, I'm just about to leave the parking lot and continue my horrible day of shopping.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I realize I bought book three of a series for my son and more two of a series for my daughter and they're both hardcover and I'm like, no No, there's nothing worse than having some soft covers and some hard covers, right like even for the warrior series For their soft covers, they'll have like four different covers that they have and he like he has a tough time when he goes to the use bookstore of being like Like I could spend an extra five bucks to have a matching cover or I could save my mind.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's like it's tough, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: and so but like there's something different for me when it's like you have some soft covers and some hard covers and a series I'm like now it's not I have to get them hard covers and I have to get them the first book of each series.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't save any money man I ended up having to order this book like brand new because they didn't have it used from house I was like 20 bucks and the book's like 20 years old I'm like oh

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[SPEAKER_04]: The author of the book, the publisher, they're like, somebody's ordered a hardcover brand new.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been like 15 years since I've never read this book.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know who this person is, but they're a little late.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, it was hilarious because I thought I had such a sweet dad win.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I had to do it both.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even get a like the books.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I am a now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been good, but it's been a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And his birthday, what are we today?

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[SPEAKER_04]: January 9, so his birthday is in a week and a half.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's all planned out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody said yes for his birthday, and Yeah, it's going bowling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, of course.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a good man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How was your week?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My week was It was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I What did we do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We I we really didn't do much, but that was my fault like I have

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[SPEAKER_00]: not slept or stopped this whole week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we push hung out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the kids are back to school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have been working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't done much else besides that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I played a little bit on the weekend and then stopped after that and then haven't done anything but no week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't done anything for a week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I was going to tell you, I sent you a message today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when we have to, I put my phone on D&D because I don't know what's going on before that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you go, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what D&D is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, recently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before, for Christmas, one of our daughters wanted walkie-talkies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gets walkie-talkies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pack of three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have...

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[SPEAKER_00]: we've we found through tests and they have three yeah three walkie dockies and they're nice walkie dockies and they're all like different color different color walkie dockies oh cool anyway that has odd I didn't mean odd as an odd number I'm just it's odd to do through when walkie dockies are typically like a paired thing yeah but they found ways to make three work and that I know quits crazy is the range on these things are nuts

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, like, from the top of our house to when we go to pick up Logan from work, the walkie talkie's work that far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, anyway, they're, they're using them and and they're using them around the house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's hilarious watching them try to figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I said to them, hey, guys, if you want to make it easier for yourself, when you finish the whatever you want to say, you got to say over, because the other person knows that you've

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're getting the hang of it, but I peed my pants when I hear my daughter say to the other one, you didn't say over, over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's over true for this, that's really my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So listening to them say, over has been so funny to listen to, just because they're very into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't say it, just I love the idea of like, we didn't hear over, over.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now I appreciate the context of your message even more.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd be interested in 15 or 20 minutes over over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a reminder for me because I knew it forget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to tell you that last week and I just didn't remember, but not the week was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had what do we do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: New year's Eve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So had everybody over from New years Eve and then I didn't drink this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a pretty

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually up quite early on January 1st and then, and then all week, but you like a Y2K thing for work, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was scared to drink and then, yeah, it's, it has been a really, really good week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I'm, I'm tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I actually had concerns this week that we would not be doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought like this might, this might be the end of our streak with forever Excel, but it's not trying to ignore my phones for a little bit, so yeah, life's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Glad to hear it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As you're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard it saying while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm drugged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still waiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just sit and

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[SPEAKER_00]: rewatching the goldburgs with Logan, show makes me laugh every time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever watched that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I've only heard you in eighth and talk about him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's worth checking out because especially like growing up in like the 80s and 90s, there's their references are hilarious because they are so, I don't know, they're just very, very funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you should check it out sometime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I pee on this, I won't, but I might.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I watch Mitchell's in the escape to Manhattan,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, close, um, still probably not, but I still highly recommend the movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you're asking me to watch like a TV show with a 800 episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been begging for an hour and a half.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like did I actually saw a speaking of, um, you know, it's like those shows every time you see whatever show it is, you're like, man, that's my favorite movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my favorite movie like I just love the movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Rachel's versus the machines is one of those another one for me though is Archive absolutely love archive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a cartoon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I love it's Really love that one coherence is another one

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[SPEAKER_04]: uh, and then also the good dinosaur.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I do remember that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love when they die.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That to me is one of the most perfect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like just storytelling and character arcs and reasoning.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's not there's nothing dumb about the characters at all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can't tell you like I'm going through my two-person book club with Ian.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's just a three.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for being a part are you enjoying this month's book, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw pictures of fronts of books that look cool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, those were not reading ones ones.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, but they are always doing awesome and I think we're starting that series next next month if you're on the work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, but I'm just like the amount of like Dom care.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not talking dumb as in like an individual is dumb.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like I'm a

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[SPEAKER_04]: The convenient stupidity of characters to elongate a story have been so much in TV shows that are rated so high and gray.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so many books and popular authors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just, uh, so the good data suggests them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We watched this week because I didn't it was just work all week into the evening's sucked but one night we just through we're going to throw a movie on I was working on the couch so it's just something that we could watch so I'm like well this one showed up I swear Tyler said that he watched it it was good we watched play date

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, holy fuck, that's a terrible move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, it was so bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We finished it and I was just like, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you just say?

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[SPEAKER_04]: look at the little details like how Alan Richen's Rick Richen, Rickson, Rickson, Rickson, Rickson's name.

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[SPEAKER_04]: How his characters the comedic relief, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And instead of the other one, and then you have, hang on, just a second.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What are you looking up?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, so you have Alan Richen's

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[SPEAKER_04]: probably new for Kevin James considering he's normally the comic relief, but just how he's driving the minivan and all the little things like the middle fingers, how he's like staring and just the reactions and epic, it was exactly what it was supposed to be, it was like that one with John Cena and Idris Elba about heads of state.

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[SPEAKER_04]: like the exact same thing as heads of state.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know exactly what you're getting when you turn it on and it is exactly what it is and it's perfect for it You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I laughed at that movie so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was it was a it was a it was a good filler That is exactly what it is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You probably don't watch it more than once ever and It was worth it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Every single minivan scene was worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the minivan stuff was fun

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, was it a Honda Odyssey or I can't remember what it was, what the van was, man, because Pasi was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, my mom, mom, mom, yeah or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, what we got this week in Pui, but yeah, really stupid story.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't know, uh, I think it was like 30 hot fixes today, let me check.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of hot fixes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I throw in my weak appeal with the hot fixes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do whatever you want, man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, just because we're just two buds talking, let's emphasize that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're just two buds talking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did Jamira Quarvers' Gregory as a boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that one I will watch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's because that's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It just passed forward to the end, man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just going to make you mad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Jamira Quarwin, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You want me to tell you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was almost a tie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's actually her gemeric way one because of his stupole stupid yellow tunnels Hey, you know where to stand.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a jammer everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, uh, Gregory would have won Okay, so I didn't watch that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see how fix 13 was the first one and How fix 13 for me was the end of path of XL2 for me for my current play time

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[SPEAKER_00]: Period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And let's let's count how many hot fixes there were this week.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's both a good thing and a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Start of that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like 13 and ended at 20.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is this one?

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[SPEAKER_04]: 24 so 11 hot fixes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, oh, yeah, it's like date math and lathe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on to the bottom two are also hot fixes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The bottom two are also hot fixes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was actually 24, it went up to hot like 24.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of hot fixes, which is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, like right, you know, you want how fixes that are fixing bugs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, we, we recorded last week on Friday, and I think it was that was after a new year's Eve, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was before new year's Eve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, geez, I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was last week, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was last week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had a good time with the things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we recorded last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been a bit since New Year's Eve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: we recorded and put our episode on the Sunday, but we recorded on the Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I played had a good time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what day was this hot fix 13?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was on January 2nd that it came out, which was the Friday that we recorded it came out in the evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, came out in the evening, because we had recorded our episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We even did afterdark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't we didn't see this because it came out in the between time between when we record and when we did afterdark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like we check, you know, for updates from GG in that period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we do our recording.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd had a really good time and then on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was having a good time trying to figure out the temple, the thing that they had changed the whole thing, which I was actually fine with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was leveling up my character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was getting a T15 maps, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was building up my temple and I was having a good time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Saturday rolls around and I go to play and I'm playing and I'm doing some maps and having a good time and I'm going into my temple and I'm doing my temple and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: my rooms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't figure out why I couldn't lock the ends of my little sets that I was building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trying everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking all over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing on the tile that says you're limited to where you can place it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing in the game that's telling me that, hey, you can't place this on these rooms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could not figure out why I couldn't place them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was starting to get progressively more frustrated and Christina came into my office at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm showing her the temple stuff and I'm just like I don't understand why I can't lock these stupid rooms like I need to lock these Otherwise I can't try to build them because they could get broken down or whatever And so she's like, we should ask him 21 21 No, I'm not gonna look stupid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna figure this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to find my podcast helps

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I play for probably another hour and I'm getting progressively more frustrated because it's not like it says anything in there that says hey you're limited to what you can restrict for these rooms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just says locker room to stop it from being destabilized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I ask in 2021.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, so any reason why I'm only allowed to lock a tier three room like it's not letting me do any of the other ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And somebody, a couple of people were like, I think it was in a recent patch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what, what are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when did this happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I opened up and I read the patch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was fuming, not felt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just so disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, man, that kills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes it so hard for me to try and progress my temple because I can only lock rooms that are further back in the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm risking what I just progressed in this temple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't I looked online to try and figure things out people have the most insane temples like these massive snakes of rooms I'm I'm trying to make an l like it just the single l and I can't because I'm constantly being pushed back by the destabilizing that's happening It was just taking so much longer to get into it

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, like, to shadow do that, I get that they posted on the Friday night that they were, they were, they're our Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This patch, but I was like, that is not a needed change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't make any sense to me why they were doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't stopping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All it was doing was making it way harder for me to progress the temple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, my phone call.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't progress the temple the way that I would like to it makes it what it basically is requiring is me to play way way way more way more to try and e-count a little bit more out of the temple and I just didn't like it was super frustrating sure enough people are like oh you guys I'm post your thing and like the next day they they make a change which

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't aware of, and for me that was it, I know that they reverted it back, but they reverted it back like two days later, and I was already just, yeah, I don't know why, I don't know if it's just me, but I'm like that with a lot of games, like if I just move on to something else, I tend to focus on that new thing and not go back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But even if it's two days, like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: look at a game like path of exile you're meditating on it you're thinking about it you're like well what are my pros and cons with these supports with this tree with this ascendancy you're putting a lot of effort into it and but that's not the only game people do that with so you move to another game for a moment you start dwelling on that thinking on that and all of a sudden two days later is a lot and you're but it's not like you're doing it out of

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[SPEAKER_04]: moved on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You've now, now you're kind of obsessing about this game a little bit, and that's just how people work as part of the danger of making, like for GG, making a choice to you, wish you didn't make kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There may have been less than two days, but it was long enough that I had started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I only had this Saturday in the Sunday to try playing some games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I started trying a different game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually

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[SPEAKER_00]: The changes, the patches that have happened so far in this league have made me more agree with your sentiment in the very beginning that it was rushed because some of these changes shouldn't need to happen if you had properly tested your game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they are the ones who have said that they don't want to rush out content, that they're only going to put out the content that's done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, done means to me at least something like reasonably tested and ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would rather not see the content come out and then get more time to like flush it out and make sure it works fine versus me get frustrated with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was having a lot of fun with the build, like the build was feeling fun, I was actually enjoying it, and the temple was giving me a reason to do end game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it had nothing to actually do with end game, but it was actually something to do, building this temple, getting to go through it, that was enjoyable for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, for me, it was an unnecessary thing to crush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I read in somewhere that they were having problems with their servers, like they didn't, they nerfed the rooms, how many rooms, once you have a certain amount, then they have diminishing returns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How, how you didn't have some concept of that possibly happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're talking about a what is it like a 7 by 7 or 9 by 9 squared room and you think people are just going to make a straight line every time straight for the boss like you've provided the room for them to do it and the the way that these rooms interconnect that they just seem like very unnecessary changes that could have been caught if they had tested it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even stuff, I mean, with anything, hope for the best plan for the worst, right, including server load.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, there were a lot of hot fixes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how many of them could have been dealt with prior, like sometimes the mass is like when it comes to certain crashes, maybe that's something that they never tested before, maybe that's something that could only have been discovered by thousands of people playing your game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who knows, but yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even like these reverting changes, how much thought was put into the design ahead of time?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Probably a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: How much time was put into this original change?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Was it a knee jerk reaction, maybe maybe not?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who knows, maybe it was one person, maybe it was a table full of people?

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[SPEAKER_04]: and then to revert it right away again and again like we've kind of emphasized with other changes that really haven't impacted us unfortunately tis the beta life but it still doesn't change the frustration when it is something that impacts you and so I totally get where you're coming from there was one patch and again like patches are patches they're great they make the game better there's one patch that actually kind of made me mad but just from um

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, just because of what I was experiencing in the game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was just the one that improved something to do with Koal, like made it so that you can do it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It starts out with Koal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Koal or something?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that made me mad just because Aaron and I were playing a couple of times this week together in Path 2.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is so bad, playing co-op and we're not even doing coach co-op.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's on the PC downstairs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on the Xbox upstairs and it was so bad that collision detection between characters is horrendous.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's nauseating.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like it shakes the screen and it happens when you think that you're giving way like it's like the character boxes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: huge compared to what you see.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And even then, I should be able to like, excuse me, please, but it's mid-combat.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you don't have time for the excuse me, just slide by, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it was just so jarring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then when it came to Sekima, which has been out for 13 months now, that was released with the original December launch in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: um, when she dies, she has to quit the game and then come back when we're still up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's not restarted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She had, she actually had to turn off the game and restart.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's been 13 months.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So again, like fix whatever you need to fix.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But in my head, I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're fixing that co-op, but this has been around.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, fix what you have in the game first.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just one of those things about, like, you know, I'm the kind of person where I don't care about their schedule.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just fix what you have, and then move on kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And, but you know, they're not like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And, of course, that's how POE we won gotten to the problems that they originally had.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But even things like, um, I didn't know we shared honor.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In co-op?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the reason is because I get my honor bar.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have 3,000 honor as we're going through.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She has 300 on her 354, I don't know, 600 doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she's like yelling at the game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, I'm taking damage.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing around me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing around me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: How am I taking?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like maybe he's great, he's poisoned.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's because I'm getting hit, but I don't have her health bar.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But our session ends when the host dies when she dies, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because she's the one that started the thing to ascend.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what my restrictions are because I see my 3000 on her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see her 600 on her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know how much we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even know there's nothing in the game that tells me that my hits count towards her, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And even to the point where I can't even interact like F with all the gold chests and keys and silver keys, I can't even interact with them at the end of the thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's no point in me finishing it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't get anything by continuing the process.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she asked to quit this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was just a very frustrating co-op experience, not even coach co-op experience.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so then, you know, I see that the co-op thing gets fixed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, good, good, whatever it is that is getting fixed, but Aaron and I unfortunately had, I had both, like, I'm really into the game and I've been theory crafting a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If I'm not playing, I'm like, okay, well, bring up path, path of building a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What can I do here, here, here, here, here, trying out some, you know, just tree stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But all my gameplay sessions this week, whether with my wife or by myself, we're actually quite frustrating, which is too bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the, you know, it's in early access is a fair, like, excuse for some things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was talking, I was talking to myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this week because I still give them the benefit of the doubt because it's in early access, but that doesn't stop the frustration, like if, and my frustration isn't that my build's not working or that the bill, you know, like that my character and the skills aren't feeling fun because they were, it's that they're,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randomly change and shit on me that I don't even know already like I had a screen up on my second screen That showed me created by other players of the game how their rooms interact with each other I can't find that information on game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to use a picture on my other screen So okay fine, you're not gonna give me that information which that part bothers me and scares me because that's very PO1 pick POE1

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[SPEAKER_00]: to just go like, here's our lead, figure it out, which I don't mind for some things, but like, that's not it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let me figure out where a unique drops, or, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't let me figure out a mechanic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to understand the mechanic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly like, that is very pure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We won, you know, not explaining anything like the basics on armor or an Asian or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm playing on Saturday and am I meant to read the patch notes every day before I get on because they made a change but there's nothing in the game that says you can only use a lock on two or three rooms that nothing besides it making the room's green and an outline it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had just played the tape before, and it was working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's not, I just, that kind of stuff for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've always been very big about like, hey, we're not going to introduce stuff, mid league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's my problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We give them the benefit of the OXR EA, 100% early access.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should say not electronic arts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I pretty similar, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but if you are going to say we're going to do leagues and we're going to do four month seasons and we're going to treat it exactly like PLE1, well, should we expect something different like are you willing then to just dump on something mid league?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's just not been a, that's not been a grinding your games thing in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an excuse for it in early access until they start acting like they're PLE1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's our schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's our four-month session.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And their own words are We're going to release what's ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really do like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't send out something that's not ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this league was ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like the valve thing was ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's too bad because I was really enjoying my character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really like the veraixo whatever playstyle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was having a lot of fun with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I got to play for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just 10 minutes, no, we played for an evening, having stuff changed on you Willy Nilly, I just don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like they're doing things Willy Nilly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you have to revert something two days later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also sometimes feel like changes and things are coming into purposefully and make things not fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I get confused.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't understand them sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There it is, funny, because there's actually a little bit of a list I have of things that I don't understand why they exist in general.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and not based on, I guess it's preference, but not like I'm not talking trials a second or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is funny because at the end of the day, like you do need to pick your lane.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't drive in both lanes sometimes, because then the people around you have no idea what to expect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The next expectations are important when you're building something for someone else.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, people might not like this example, but

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[SPEAKER_04]: in marriage you're either married or your single you can't sometimes be single and sometimes be married you got to pick a lane right when you're making a game for early access yet you okay you got it but if you're going to treat it like it's not early access you got to pick and if you do a kind of back and forth you're going to have a lot of situations where people are in your shoes and that's how they feel and it is a reflection of your company so

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[SPEAKER_04]: The user's situation always in my opinion needs to be important, including the lack of communication that there is towards any changes, any pop-ups that could happen, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, is it your responsibility to read the patch notes on a major mechanical change, maybe my new details, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe fixes sure if you're curious, but on how the functionality of something like the very base mechanic, where's that's like changing how accuracy works?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was just frustrating that there's nothing that told me that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just was like, what did I miss?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I swear I was just doing this fine yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said to Tyler, thank God, we didn't record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On a blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on that Friday or whatever, because I was so angry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've got an over it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will probably,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say I will try puey to again before the end of the league, but I don't know that I will, because I like, I'm just, I've taken my moment away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done something else now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any time anyway, but when I do have time, I'm not sure that that's what I'm gonna pop back into, because I'm gonna feel so disconnected by that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's just not as big as our 2022.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, agreed to play it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is exciting, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because there's lots of good things to look for too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sure, there's things that frustrates, but let's just like path one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Lots of things that are frustrating or you don't like the design, but as you get used to the content, you get used to working around the quote-unquote stupidity of whatever design or things that we disagree with or things that we don't think are fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you can still find ways to enjoy it, but there are definitely things that take us out of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But our private league's for 327 are going to do at some point.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably sooner than later, but like we're probably let's talk about that in after Dark tonight, but we haven't because we just even though we just had a private league that was at the end of 326 now, we haven't done our 327 when yet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Repeat that one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, again, that's something else that'll take away from Path 2 2.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was so frustrating, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a great time playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got frustrated by a change that they made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the thing that sucked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it what I was not frustrated with my character?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually having a good time with the character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt really tanky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was starting to do new content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was, I was actually enjoying playing the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could argue that while there's keep playing, but I think it was the temple that was keeping me

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[SPEAKER_00]: In like excited like okay, I need to get six more crystals or build up 60 crystals and I'm gonna play the temple for the next hour It's gonna be great, but then when you when you add that part in it actually like I'm glad that they've reverted it because it was an absolutely unnecessary change But I wasn't I didn't know that at the time that they changed it and I'm not gonna wait around and see I had a pretty good suspicion if we're going to revert it because

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just made no sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't understand what it was helping in in this the temple thing, but it's It sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sucks that it's a that's what made me sort of just go like now Feeling it and I actually had the thought like while we and see if they fix it, but by that time I agpopt on to intruded for a little bit and then the week started so like it didn't come I didn't I just checked out that didn't happen until the evening on the Sunday so it wasn't gonna happen for me

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the whole weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Made that change their Monday.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you know this week?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw some messages from you this week.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was very similar to your situation, but it wasn't a direct change.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I still get very frustrated with map layouts and map designs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: How much crap there's in my way, but it's just like a rock jutting out that I've...

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, looks like I could roll over or why, why is, I don't know, the map design is just so much of the map that's in my way, but you can't see when combat's happening that it just makes the experience very frustrating like you don't know if it's an enemy and you're waiting for something to die or

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[SPEAKER_04]: where you should go is it's still getting I find myself grumbling about the map layouts and map designs quite a lot just because I find that I'm fighting the map more or just as much as I'm fighting the enemies and their mods kind of thing right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that kind of gets in the way of the enjoyment because I'm just trying to enjoy the combat self-right the meaning for combat, the raining for.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've loved my build.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My build is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's very efficient, really enjoying it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a little bit tricky and convoluted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm doing minions' stability with the witch, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I find the witch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: boring pointless, but the best situation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking about respecting into maybe the defire lady, the infernalist.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not sure, but maybe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm also still not a fan of how intercharectors deal with physical damage mitigation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just in general, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like stacking

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, for physical damage mitigation, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's, it still takes off huge chunks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It does appear that way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: With the last lady.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, that one's really, really tempting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love that since you pointed that out, that is really strong.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But yes, I mean, you know, and to me, it's just the stacking yes, just isn't enough considering how much damage just a regular crossbow will do to you and so I've been looking at a lot of different options doing a lot of theory crafting trying to see stuff and also even though my builds really strong, it's very, very busy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, it's perfect for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the idea of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It had the mechanics and how it interacts, but it's just every time I play, I fall asleep almost because, like, I'm like, struggling with stay awake, just because the screen's so busy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I have my spirit is, I have 30 of it with cast on minion death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and then the rest is just all skeletal warriors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I have 10 skeletal warriors that are basically its minion instability so they show up and then in for it within three seconds they die and four seconds they're up and then they die so it's just a lot of fire explosions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a regular basis, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I also have my zombies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just that's my only button and I just hold it down that's right trigger.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My zombies are also minion instability.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the damage is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I absolutely love it and I've actually chosen to remove feeding frenzy from it, even though it would be good for them because they die too quickly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They a lot of the times they can't get to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even if I'm right beside the boss, they'll still spawn slightly far away enough that they won't the explosion isn't going to actually get to the boss.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I actually had to remove it and I find my DPS is better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I have skeletons that are exploding.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have zombies that are exploding.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then every time my skeletons die, I get health back, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I also have Essence Harvest on them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And Essence Harvest just basically gives me with 10 skeletons reviving and dying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: My man has just doesn't move.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's awesome and zombies cost a lot of mana.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm I'm able to hold down the zombie button and cat spam zombies and I don't even see my mana bar move.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even with curses, you know, well, no, even with curses like I see my mana bar move at that point, but it doesn't impact my ability to to maintain my my zombie spam.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have my- I've only ascended twice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've tried to ascend two times.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The process is irritating as anything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the- so I've only ascended twice so I don't have infinite curses yet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I am still casting a curse, non-stop throughout the- throughout the boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's all great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm enjoying it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then also, every time my zombie's die, I also have its cast when cast on minion death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I frostbom, right, of course, for more elemental exposure, but then also it leaves a cold remnant and then I have snap which puts a billion fire remnants on the ground because I'm constantly igniting people with all of my explosions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then so I pick those up and then linked to that as well is firestorm and as far as I can see firestorm is the only spell that uses multiple types of infusions at once.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like, you're a little troller's vibrating more than a sex toy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it is non-stop, but like, my batteries are dying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, and I couldn't find a way to turn off the vibrations, which is too bad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Without turning off vibrations to the whole thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't want that because I do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The game actually does really bad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't really have to get off your skill or something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, that would be nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the game I find actually does a really poor job at letting you know when you're taking

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[SPEAKER_04]: big damage versus little damage, you know what I mean, sometimes I'm hitting my health bar or my life flask because the screen goes, when I look and I'm like, I was barely missing any health and then other times I take a huge chunk in the screen, it doesn't seem like screen does anything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know if I'm just used to it or not, but what it is, but anyway, so point is it's constantly vibrating and I use the vibrations to tell when some of the other important things are happening, but it's just such like the build itself is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's one button

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have great mitigation and recovery.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's all great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm surviving lots.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just too busy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I've been thinking about other ways to do something similar and sure it might be less efficient.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I could remove minion instability and just have inferno legion on my skeletons.

44:14.452 --> 44:25.475
[SPEAKER_04]: I get the benefit of everything else, except for the wonderful explosion damage, so it's half the DPS, for no reasons, besides visual clarity or visual relaxation, I guess you could say sensitivity.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then it feels weird because it's like, I should have that on because they're already dying on purpose, so why not get the damage out of it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe it'll help me play longer, and then, but then it's like, okay, but then I still have Firestorm going off in the whole reason for that is just for the sake of power charges.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I forgot to mention that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's that one notable on the tree called infusion of power.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's called, and it's every time you consume a remnant, an elemental element, not to create one, but consume one, which is why I have Firestorm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Every time I consume one,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I get a power charge.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so basically, every time my skeletons die, I get power charges.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so now I'm just getting my empowered zombies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm pumping them out, pumping them out, pumping them out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They do so much damage is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But it's busy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, okay, how else can I get these power charges and do this and how else can I do that?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm going through and I'm like, and I'm still not enjoying the physical damage that I'm taking, even though it's not killing me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't like how severe each physical damage hit is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: right just with pure yes so i'm looking around and i see the smithicatava right and i'm loving you know i'm like okay well like i'm i'm i really like the whole zombie power charge thing but i could do this like manifest weapon that they have right i think i might play melee like what are you talking about yeah well because they that the smithicatava um

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[SPEAKER_04]: that Marshall weapon that I just mentioned, I forget what it's called, uh, someone weapon or whatever it's called.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It scales off of your strength.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, okay, well, I'm naturally going to be getting that anyway.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's that's nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have to go to the north of the tree and spread myself thin.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I also discovered living weapon, which is a support that also creates little minions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But it it really only benefits fast attacking builds.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It

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[SPEAKER_04]: After the minion starts hitting with living weapon, each of those little minions that it creates that also scale off a strength which is great, but they disappear within half a second.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They hit once every 1.4 seconds, so basically every half a second they're gone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They've done their 3 hits and they're gone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't really help with the slow hitting build, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the Smithicotov are really interested in me because of how the whole normal armor set up works, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You get so much different mitigation and I just, I really like it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You get crit reduction, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You get the chaos stat, like armor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to sort of pick in the ones you want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not getting all of them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're sort of picking how you want to build.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But you could use all eight points.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you could actually pick seven of those points.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm like, okay, well, that's some sweet defense.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then even if I was to go back and do the minion instability build, I'm like, I can't level like that because it's going to take me 15 nodes just to get to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say what you're leveling with.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So then I'd have to respeck into that, which life goes on, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like doing it, but that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then also, I'm not getting the witch starting nodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have sorcerer starting nodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, well, now I'm like missing out on a hundred increased damage and until I get the weapons, that's actually really valuable.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So then it's going back to, okay, well, can I do melee, and can I do this in my cog rate?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I've got to deal with accuracy again and all, all, all, all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So which strength base spells are other orders none?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm like, okay, well, how can I get the spirit with the sector?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, shoot, I need 175 spirit to do a level 20 rattling sector or not spirit intelligence?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I can't do a sector.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But you only need like high level if you want the high level.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Mean, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if I'm doing minions stability, that's exactly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do need that, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's what determines the the life of the the minion.

47:58.138 --> 48:02.784
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm like, well, I can't do like a hundred or one to five attributes have to, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I can't do a hot like the the game's just not designed to have 175 of each, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like five at a time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you're barely if you're without gear, you're barely scraping by for what you need for your own bill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's always going to be needed though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Always.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad should be sore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm choking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, no, to an extent.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But with how it's currently set up, like with path VxL1, getting 10 per node, even though you weren't in control, which 10 those were getting 10 per node, allowed you to get like that 152 hundred you needed for your own build, plus like a hundred of another attribute.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Except that it was on a specific side of the tree.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the difference between people.

48:42.531 --> 48:45.055
[SPEAKER_04]: Agreed, but you're still doing the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like being able to choose your attributes here is only slightly more free.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because if you're on the energy shield side of the tree, if you're doing yes, you're going in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that because of what gear requirements are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you're going armor, you're going strength.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like this still not changing a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, it just gives you the freedom of when you get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that if you started as a like strength-based character for you to get enough Intempuery one is still going to be a struggle because you're traveling quite a bit of the tree to get that in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, totally.

49:15.174 --> 49:22.463
[SPEAKER_04]: And I can start with int right away in Path 2, which which I really like, but it's still because it's only five at a time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm only getting what I need in the vanilla without the gear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm only getting what I need for a very specific part of the build.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's it's very difficult to go hybrid.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, so for example, let's say I'm using talismans and I'm like, okay, well, at the end of the day, I'm going to need 75 strength and 75 in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's all that's my entire attribute highway.

49:43.327 --> 49:57.523
[SPEAKER_04]: If I wanted to add something else there that was a little bit less off of the exact strength in balance that the armor ESC here would have, I need something else to help you do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I still feel like there's too much of a stranglehold on attributes because in path one, you could have that focus of one specific attribute, one specific, like whether it's all in right in your casting courses and minions or whatever, and still without gear have like 50, 60 strength to or decks to play with something else and give yourself a little bit of freedom.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I did that all the time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was very hybrid with how it was going.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was a stress industry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, but that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you need to be able to have some variety when you're building your character.

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[SPEAKER_04]: or you're not really theory crafting, which is, but that's why we play the game.

50:44.026 --> 50:46.910
[SPEAKER_04]: Like we play turn on different games if we don't want a theory craft, right?

50:47.490 --> 50:54.840
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, being that strict with attributes is still frustrating for me when I'm trying to come up with ideas, right?

50:54.940 --> 50:56.282
[SPEAKER_04]: I still don't think there's enough freedom now.

50:56.362 --> 51:03.352
[SPEAKER_04]: I have no problem with needing attributes on gear, but not for like really small basic things, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like if there's a spirit gem that I like, but it needs 50 decks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm not going to get that on to like, I get endgame gear and all that because I have to live.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's no, there's no freedom there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even like going through path two, you would get those amulets from what's her face that calls you a cockroach and it's like sweet right off the bat.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can get that dex amulet if I want because I need that 50 in sweet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, but I have not seen one room that gives me any attributes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not one strength dex or in ruin has dropped from me this entire game so far.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What?

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[SPEAKER_04]: really not one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's all other things, but it's not that interesting, right?

51:44.006 --> 51:49.725
[SPEAKER_04]: So I've been going through and I've been having fun, but it's been tough like as it's been limiting for me to do that.

51:50.077 --> 51:59.311
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, so I'm like, okay, well, maybe I could use a talisman, maybe I could be a drag and I could use that like, dragons can consume corpses, right?

51:59.632 --> 52:02.977
[SPEAKER_04]: And then those corpses create a power charge.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe I could just have like sacrifice, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be a drag and I'll have sacrifice kicking around me, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I hate sacrifice, but whatever, if I just hit the button to consume a minion, I'll automatically have a power charge and that can create a zombie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And instead of doing minion instability,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll make sure that they're just staying alive and doing hits.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, okay, well, that's way less busy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They do huge hits.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I won't be missing out on DPS at the end of the day, and that's super easy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, it's two buttons.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Life goes on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I go to do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I can't do sacrifice with a talisman, and I can't do zombies with a talisman.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Apparently with a talisman, which is two-handed, not one-handed, so I miss out on a whole bunch of stuff there already in terms of a minion player.

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[SPEAKER_04]: who is spiriting all that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not allowed to cast non-shapeshifting skills when I'm holding a talisman.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I actually am not allowed to cast Ray's zombie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're sheepish.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is impossible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As a dragon, bear, where Wolf, the game does not let me hit the Ray's zombie button.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the downside to having the raise on be on a weapon set too that's a subter or something else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you get?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know to that talisman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do spirit because I need, so I have 60 spirit, like the idea was that I would have 60 spirit for like, well, I mean, the build won't work anyway because I can't have sacrifice as a dragon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Won't let me have sacrifices as a dragon and that's

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[SPEAKER_04]: how I was going to be getting my corpses from my skeletons, but I need sacrifice and I need skeletons, so I need to spirit for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And because sacrifice means I'm have like a 15 second cooldown on my zombies on my minions coming back, I have to cast at least three times, preferably four with a specific notable on the tree, but three times, right, and then I have to wait 15 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I need at least three, maybe four minions available for me, preferably more in

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you know, but it's so anyway, um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, I was just I was just finding the game really restricting with all these different rules that they had and then a little thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was just one of those frustrating experiences.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm still excited about still theory crafting in my head.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I found actually a lot of ideas that I wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that's not all bad that you can't always do everything, but like what specifically were something you were trying

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I, because of how, in my opinion, Stingy, the game is with attributes until you're actually able to roll something later, which, I get it happens, but I'm trying to level, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to get through.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to get 10 game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to plan for an idea that doesn't seem outrageous.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can't because I don't have the attributes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't do the Smith of Kitaba with a septer and do like I can't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If I'm focusing on armor and ES gear, I'm not going to have enough intelligence to have a rattling septer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could, but it would be gear dependent.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think you could, though, because as long as I don't have one piece of gear that has more than

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know the roles are there, but like I'm level 75 or something like that and I'm still looking for gear that has a bunch of attributes so that I can play around with them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Whereas that kind of stuff was a little bit more readily available in past one and so I could play around with a lot of these hybrid ideas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the one thing that's weird to me in Path of Exile 2 and I know you're not going to agree with it, I think it is just what it is right now because I'm figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people are using the gambling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As their way to get gear as they're progressing through the game and while I would rather see the drops I've learned that I need to take advantage of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're actually selling gear for gold not there's no point in in breaking down anything That's you know unique sure because you get the chance whatever pieces But everything else I've just sent a gold because then you can use it to both respect but also

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[SPEAKER_00]: gamble on gear and when you're trying to gear up, it is crazy that that is a really, that's sometimes a better way of getting gear than going out and trying to kill stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, for sure, the majority of my gear, I actually have had some pretty decent drops now in terms of things like having to make some tough choices versus resistor life, or yes, but in terms of other gear, especially rattling sectors, it's always from a vendor.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm checking the vendors all the time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't do a lot of the gambling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I find it's just I'm still in the process where I'm leveling relatively quickly enough that

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just as the game is where you can actually see the attributes, it's valuable enough for me, but I'm constantly checking for jewelry and the attributes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I just have the bad luck But with this experience that I'm having, I'm just finding I don't have the attributes to play around with ideas that I like Well, as you're like in the build you are doing though.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm love that I just got it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got to find a way to do something similar It's just tough because like the rattling sector just fits

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting a huge amount of life for recovery every time they res.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's every four seconds.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting like the unlimited mana region, basically.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I could be, I chose the lich specifically for mana region.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now because I discovered essence harvest or whatever it's called.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even need to be the lich.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like it's just, it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it provides lots of damage for free that I'm not doing at all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm just stand there and move around, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just, it's, it's perfect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: got a buy a minion instability mtx that makes it all invisible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then maybe they can come up with one more spell that also consumes more than one type of elemental fusion but doesn't take up the whole screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hopefully you get something because it is it's cool that you're like in the build, but even I was like, holy crap, when you turn your stuff on, get away from me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to I have my second weapon set is actually everything's off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just all my spirit is understood because when I'm in my hideout, you know what you're doing to look at sound here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Due to this non-stop firestorm and then frost bomb goes off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's it's pretty funny.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, yeah, like I didn't mean for this to be like a little it was just a frustrating week for both of us, but we are enjoying the game we're still looking forward to it we're excited and I guess we'll be taking a break because We're figured on our path one league tonight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We should do that tonight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, okay, and we'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so this will be your

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're warning your heads up, pay attention to our discord, just in case I doubt we will, but just in case we are starting days or the next episode, but we should read all like doing that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't like being uninformed of like, oh yeah, imagine that hey, we complain about like not giving people a heads up or letting people know and then all of a sudden, like before the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Perfect, so one league started.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't even announce it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but that we I prefer that so I can get some yellow text or orange text because we'll just start early before telling anybody will post it at the wall and end game do a 20 day one no let us get to like act to and then one ounce it and then we'll just go see how far we can get

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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll love it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just do a 20-bit one, but tell everyone it's 10 days.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Always host it until 10 days work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But we're already in games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All it would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep that to ourselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's wrap this up forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, 320 something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Justin aka tags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Tyler Recker of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrons will catch you and after Dark everybody else we'll see you next week in Episode Something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like for more information you find them below.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get a website forever Excel.com.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a very fun discord pop in there and say hello and Patreon and other ways to put the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll find them everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See you We didn't find a way to use D-bag or D-hole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you gotta luck