The Balance of Path, Fur Sure

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forever Exile, I am Justin A.K.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Tyler, record of days and Justin is loaded with apathy today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keeping us on our toes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You bet you know, that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Episode 328 of our podcast together is officially here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Big shout out to our patrons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everybody who has resubbed up this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we just keep going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do Ghostface, hang on, gotta fix it with the blinds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're gonna say something at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You did not think it was beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like you think my D&D is beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't work, but the idea of it is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not the count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not disturb for an hour starting now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the next day there was a game and I'm like I get this PDF from the teacher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just like it's like the teacher sends it to every single student even though there's like 20 kids on the team and I'm like, oh Well, we didn't know it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I told you they're going to throw a no Oliver first don't talk to me like that second No, you didn't otherwise I'd be asking you questions about all these dumb Skittleball emails that come through So anyway, we would talk about it and

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's all like pissy and defensive and never wrong, but then like two minutes into the conversation He's sobbing because he feels guilty for you know all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know getting the most it's that awkward age of Being like standing up for yourself, but not having anything to stand up for yourself with you know what I mean So you get these emotions of really wanting to be strong about something, but you're just a kid like Somebody's picking on you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's not much going on so sure

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[SPEAKER_00]: The funny conversations, but you joined Skittleball, went and watched a game, and so I can't remember his kids in especially elementary school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when we had sports games that we took buses to the other schools, but yeah, like they don't do that now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, it's like, you're way, it is, it is, and thank goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver has won away from out of his six games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, it's really that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the one day out of all the Wednesdays coming up, we have a car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it worked out great, but yeah, it is annoying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fun to watch so we can also learn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that what that game is I had to learn what that game was through my kids playing it And yeah, anyway, that's fun cool and I force my daughter to come to some of not gonna force it to come every time Let's get to like shut up getting the car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This ruined your day, but your brother's got a game on scope and well, not the car we walked, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was hilarious having her there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like playing with her zipper the whole time But she's like telling stories so loud Does she recognize that the teachers like that she had like does she she yeah, but she's like dad I'm too I'm too old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She took over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Well, that's too cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually trust me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't want her anybody's feelings, but she feels like it's really

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's too old to get excited to see old teachers and people from her past and elementary school is so passed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was super cute, but it was funny because of course I want to give her the a little bit of opportunity to say her piece, but I don't know how long her piece is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's like, I had to tell her, I'm like, hey, Vite, like you got to chill on the stories parents are trying to watch their their kids and mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was it was just it was a hilarious dynamic it's tough to describe but it was a hilarious dynamic out of the country's really big grins because of the story telling that was happening during a game that felt like it was eight hours long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was really fun to see kids of that age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the beginning, because it was the first game of the season, they're only passing to like the good kids, or good kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're passing to good kids, but then after maybe 10 minutes, everybody was passing to everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody was being encouraging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could even see like some of the kids that were not good,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like near the end of the game, whenever they would get the ball, they were a hawk in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're trying to decapitate opponents, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas before they, they were even too scared to catch it or chase it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was just fun to see the transition of the first game of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: fun, but you know little stories, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just, it's just fun being a parent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Life is good and it's been just really nice healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that means someone's going to die soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a little, little.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how ghosts just are seeing this, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roller poster life, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then death.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the auction, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't hope people are always like they say this two-shall pass, but it's, you know, to comfort you in a negative time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but let's talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's caught themselves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, because that's not that's the life story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We gotta go real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people we know drink and drive just a lot of better African not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not this obviously just Josh and around right Josh and I'm just having a good time and things are really good, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go spend a nice week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How about you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I have kids too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: thought of last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been like this for the past couple weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't talk really much about last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not going to either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be like this for me for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So early mornings, very late nights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I haven't done it like I was actually thinking about today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what am I going to say to him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally worked the whole week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you were up to last night and you said we're working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I looked at my watch and I felt like it was 11.30 at night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it was probably nine o'clock at night at three o'clock in the afternoon yesterday or two days ago I said to one of the people was working with them like how is it not like the end of the day But I am excited for this week and my oldest is coming down So we'll get to see him or do our little Christmas with them so that will be on the night will

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not be working much on the weekend because Christina will kill me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, good for her and good for you It'll be nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it when families aren't sticklers about dates You know what I mean like the world's not gonna end and if now you don't still celebrate Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll still live

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll still have a good time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be nice to see him and both of them and then hang out for a bit But yeah, man, I didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, I worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We watched the sandman Because we watched the first season of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So and we just need a second season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's first season was horrible

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I like the first season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You like everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the second season was, it wasn't that it was bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just was like, okay, it was, it was, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was good until the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, I've been thankful for saying to tell me they're planning for a third season, which is not a good idea if that is their plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Based on other sources, like it's based on books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's, can I see something that's like, in my lap, like, San Manese will agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we do San Manler, San Man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Santa ear muffs for 30 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you change a character out, like that for me is like, Oh, the actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because I guess that's part of, I don't know, maybe that's part of the story that like, when you die,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still somebody else who is the new dream King person, but it's now a new actor and both of us were like, eh We've gone two seasons with this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do it right at the very end Like that seems like a good time to just chill it out, but yes, I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's based on books or something But that's the same thing you get you know you get your Henry Caval thing You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did watch the Witcher one with what's especially in small yeah, and I thought Liam did fine

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Liam, I prefer Liam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well that's the right, but we watched, I watched, I did watch the Topia 2 with the kids, so we watched the greatest, or the highest grossing Disney movie of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Over Frozen 2?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I, good, I actually did watch it, like I didn't do anything, but hung out with them and watched it with pizza.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, my week was just blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get to do anything fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get to play any games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the thing, that did, did you reconsider the possibility of hiring somebody to help you come up, it has come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it your wife that brought it up you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean she said it forever Wait, it's something we've looked at in our company for a while, but yeah for now that's something case But I do like being busy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't I can't keep this up But hopefully in the next two weeks this will settle down and I'll go back to my normal version of Normal version of busy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do like being busy though I just I need to also have separation and I have not lost a couple weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking forward to that path of X

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the fastest we've ever gotten there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the, I saw a comment last week, they're like, wow, you know, they're something about personalized, must not be blah, blah, blah, because they got straight into Path of Exile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, I mean, I could talk about stuff, but what would I talk about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, things are very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very, everybody's healthy, everybody's happy, which is very great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very excited to see our oldest this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I could play some games right now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what I would play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I'm reading some of the patch notes just very quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be probably fun to get back into POE 2 and give it a shot, but I've never done that really before, like it's kind of like, ah, I'll just wait for the next one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, I think we have a privately coming up right soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that when, isn't it, dude?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, privately, just to round the riverben.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did we announce it last week or no?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is, you're announcing it right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a wonderful segue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just move that note slide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, don't be sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just have stuff there so that it's easy to figure out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love giving you a hard time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we do have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's our forever exiled privately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do it every league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Try to do it every single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've done it every single league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But does your brother listen to this podcast?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I was telling him and Ian about the accents that we have that we don't have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We say for right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: R is another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We say, A, R, E for both the word, A, R, E, and our, Oh, we don't want to say an hour, but, but yeah, you should say that's why I brought it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was going to be hey, Naked forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right in your family, right in your face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the first start and sound hardcore solo cell found keepers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: L, E is ready to go start for us on January 30th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: January 30th is how it starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, one thirty a.m. Our time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, remember, I thought it was even drinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm pretty sure you were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I haven't had almost anything to drink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I had like a glass, but I've had almost, I haven't drank at all this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So well, maybe that one glass just hit you more than usual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause it's the only glass that's just, my brain is, you get like a half a cell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it starts in, um, there's a two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We gave some good lead up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were joking about how we're going to start, um, discussing our private leagues in the main episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So GG has a better chance of hearing how ridiculous the process is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably the league starts in 462 hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does this sound correct?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Google what time it's going to be in seven hundred and seventy two hours and they're like You can see this already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do that right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so it's a path of XI one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hard course also from keepers should be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of deaths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find the information on a discord pop in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join you'll get the link and then yeah, come play with us for 10 days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: January 30th, 130th, 130 AM, PST, so I don't even know what that is across the world, but I feel like we gave way better times for a lot of people who we normally don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Big favors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, big favors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never happening again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's gonna be fun popping there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It popping into our discord and now you'll find the info.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and just an extra big thank you to every one of our listeners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of you have been with us a long time, some not as long as all awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just we've been getting lots of appreciation the last couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we just want to give a big shout out to everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, of course, for those that take the time to reach out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also for those that do not, it's just awesome to have you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a pretty amazing community in journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can't thank you enough for the report.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agreed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Moving on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: check the box more importantly did you know uh 13 years ago um January 23rd Path of Excel 1 beta opened up the open ball

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're still telling beta or became was no more of a beta that became open beta Because it was closed because yeah, I have a 20 minus twenty two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're still technically supposed beta to right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, correct because you're paying well is I don't know what it would have been then I'm sure definitions of change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this an open beta that you can pay to be a part of because anybody can be a part of it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because closed beta is used to be, you just got that random invite from that random person or event right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like closed beta is you have to pay to get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least that's how it's been with Pat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was with Pathofix 01.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's at least I think how they called it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And open beta makes sense that it's open to everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would make sense because I think my date was in the 2012s for joining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 16 years good word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not I don't know another game that I played about 48.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care I agree I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I was going to play that long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's like I love Dark Souls I've been playing that for forever, but do I actually play that even every year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the reason I probably like had good sit downs or it's been my game that I'm excited for three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure Once by myself

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[SPEAKER_00]: once with the end, and then once by myself after that, and I don't even think that was a full play through because I got my scratch my edge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I went back to like another safe file and messed around or something, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So same thing, like it's just, it has a very unique replay value compared to many other, almost any of the other games that you can play nonstop like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: quite the unique attachment to it in terms of why you come back and how you come back and and still have fun like it's not even yeah and just it's crazy so very cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and the the interesting dynamic I'm curious how it brings up the question um sorry I do need to take a look at this quick but it does bring up the question of

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[SPEAKER_00]: who should control the meta, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like for any forever game that keeps coming up with updates and balances, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are subscription-based, like Elder Scrolls Online, or, wow, POE doesn't have the subscription, but just the idea of who's controlling the meta to control the longevity of the game is actually a huge decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's naturally made, but as a company you gotta have that discussion sometimes, and I don't think there's a

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have my preferences, which way a company goes, but I don't think there's a wrong direction to go, but it is a conversation that a company always needs to have when you plan on making a forever game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's controlling the meta?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the one that's controlling how the game determines what's successful and not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that the growing year games actually has any control over the meta or tries to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they create the things that seem cool and they want to do, and then I feel like the player base tends to find the ways to twist those around to do things that may be the company never expected or didn't plan for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think at the end of the day, it's become easier for them to simply, okay, here's a bunch of venue skills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buff them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then not that generic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, they try and balance things, but because they have a billion skills with the building combinations, there's only so much you can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, instead of having like this this controlled rule set within the company of these types of skills with these tags can only do this much based on this much damage and you know like having kind of some sort of variable so that there is some sort of control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it it's just this works for what it's currently used for this one's not working for how the game's currently designed because the changes let's buff them up and I think they unintentionally control the meta that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean when people say what is the meta or controlling the meta is that like how the bulk of people play is that how like I never totally understood that

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's a game where you can play it however you want so then I get it a little bit confused with is the meta meaning this is the most successful because you'll make the most currency and you'll kill the fastest or is this the meta because this is what most people are picking to do or is this the meta because this is the direction they wanted you to go you don't it mean like I've never fully understood what that means

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my view, the definition is stretch, and it depends on the individual who's speaking, because if you're talking to somebody who's playing, so for example, do you remember long time ago, Ziz was talking with Matthew and Chris Wilson all in a joint interview, and Ziz was challenging Chris on

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[SPEAKER_00]: the balance of the game similar to my preference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's only a few skills you can really use or not use, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like three skills people can use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas, math will came out with the argument or not the argument, just the counters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, no, there's like three skills that you're stupid not to use, but a whole bunch of these skills you can do and like it's not like, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't need to rock it, science degree to it and it doesn't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget what the term is, but you know what I mean, you don't, you know, I know you don't want to do a school to make it work, like the little work, they're just not pinnacle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think there's some people when you're talking about the meta.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, okay, here's like the pinnacle bar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you use if you want to destroy content versus the meta of what's just generically successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, as an example with

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[SPEAKER_00]: were never meta, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just, they weren't good enough to play through the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I enjoyed them, and I could play through the game with it, but it wasn't, it was still way too slow for what people would normally consider to be successful with in Path of Excel, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Until the gigantic zombies came in, the ones falling from the sky, and then maybe they were considered meta when the Baron, the first flu leaves when the, when the Baron helmet came out, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The top had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's just like, what can you properly play the game with in terms of the game standards?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's also depending on who's speaking the eLea version of what's what's acceptable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find it more like acceptable for the game's demand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess would be a way that I would describe it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've just never totally got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if, uh, if, when Ziz says three skills are, uh, the only one's a work, math will says, well, you can use the other ones, but these are the three that are just crushing everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is, is it meta then because they're just the strong way to play the, like, is that what meta represents?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the strongest way to play?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel I've heard it talked about to in, like, the meta is speed you have to be fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really, I just feel like the words they're wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very generic and it's all just what you need to be successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you could say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think depending on what your bar is, that changes what the definition is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think almost everybody could agree that yeah, speed would be like you need speed to be successful in Path of Excel 1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I obviously the company has a pretty big role to play in that because they are determining the numbers and the actual function of these skills and how they work with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking through zombies in my head, is it just that they didn't like zombies, didn't have time for zombies, maybe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what if they thought that was where it should be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also the thought where...

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to say it may be you are more right that the company is the one controlling the meta because if they go that's what we want it's a supplemental skill to other things which I know we've had conversations about in the past with regards to be giving these skills when you start out they're clearly not skills you're going to go to the end of the game with but maybe that's what they mean to do in some cases that they're not all I don't I don't really know I don't I have 200 skills and say they're all viable and end game that's pretty tough to balance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and I mean, even when it comes to the argument for zombies, there's some inconsistencies when you're leveling the gem right you get it right off the bat has one of your first skill options depending on the class you start as sure, but then the ability to raise them you don't get the manual ability to guarantee their existence right the creating corpse skill I forget what's

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, but anyway, it's just, it's, you know, that would be to me somebody not paying attention to zombies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't give me that skill that I'm literally going to fail with in a boss fight, unless I'm extremely experienced with the skill or the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that just makes zero sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would give you the impression that they're not paying attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yet at the same time, the fact that zombies were typically on a regular basis, the weaker one makes sense because

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't cost anything to have 10 of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You raise them and then that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what else can I have?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can have way more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have like the things that actually cost and stuff like mana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That skeletons, that's SRS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's other things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But because that costs me, it makes sense that those have more damage, especially temporarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's skeletons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They barely cost it, man, because they were raised so easy, but then they were extremely weak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had way less health, way less health.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they weren't even worth using as popcorn skeletons, made more sense to use SRS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, because you're raising one at a time, instead of three at a time, like skeletons, like there is that balance there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, they don't talk about it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing in the game that explains it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because there's nothing else really like zombies, there wasn't anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to compare a pattern to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but I hear you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hear you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that I always wonder about I would love to be part of those discussions or not be a part well, sure, be a part of, but also I just love to hear the big wigs talk for half an hour on why they should or shouldn't control the meta, or why they are willing to with this patch, but not as much so with the next patch and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to hear those balance conversations about skills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting too, because path was built obviously around Diablo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder sometimes like Chris and Jonathan back in the day, they played Diablo, they want to make their own version of the game, but they're creating it at a time where I could play Diablo too, and the only people that I was interacting with to determine whether my build was strong or not were friends that I was sitting in a room with playing with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no comparison to other things and I wonder sometimes if that that's the concept for them going in it's like, oh, we got a great idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to make it and as they're doing it, they're like, oh, this skill will be fun or that idea would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they would all be fun in their own little individual people trying to play it and but then you get this growth of the internet and this growth of these online communities and now you've got multiplayer and people going in on it together and all of a sudden the meta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it's purposefully controlled or directed by granting your games at least not early on because I think that they just go, this is a cool skill, that'd be fun to play with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Diablo had this, they did have the benefit of no internet, they did have the benefit of no internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't have these communities, at least not early on, to say like, hey, you have to do this skill with this skill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you do this and watch the streamer, oh my god, they delete this thing and then everybody's going like, well, I need that build and the things are too expensive, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, like, as we were talking about and again, congratulations, GGG on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 13 years of an open beta for path 1 which a lot of people even still prefer that's no dig where everybody knows your other games in beta but like you've done a great job to the point where you've come up with this new creation and people still love your old game like that's a big big pat on the back hope you don't take that negatively but like yeah you you say like I can't remember like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I get mixed up when I look in my memories, I can't, I don't know what was what, like I need my, my, my picture album that I don't make to find out when I was doing this or that, like when I went to Disneyland with my kids, I'm like, I don't know, probably a few years ago, but then I look at the pictures and they were like, infants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that but then they can't even remember the last thing so it's one of those things where you look back It's like in 2013.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was well was the internet like like I was I was my wife because I think that was the apple threes I think they came out around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well we were playing online

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there was a little bit more we were doing board lands that box live was already there, but that's not incorrect like the power of the internet has only grown sure and like for like that we're talking back in my space days man we're we're Facebook had it was nothing like when it was and

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were still like buying disks for our games and our game expansions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were still going to the store for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember If you were on a TV games and you were like, oh, I haven't played well forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just a tie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just go get your stuff and we'll come out and then And she's asking me she's like, and so do you want to upgrade for this and this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get a free mount for wow and all of a sudden you're like, well, free mount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and all of a sudden you go all you spend 20 bucks that you weren't even gonna like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember they changed the name to Twitch TV shortly after that American idol guy who was named Twitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was one of those American idol seasons, one of the first ones where there was like, people were going to be mad and happy no matter who one and who lost like they were both just great favorites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a guy named Twitch and there was a guy named Twitch and for some reason I correlated the difference from Justin TV switching to Twitch TV because of something to do with that guy

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had the smart idea of trying to differentiate between business and gaming, because at the time it was doing both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they split off and Justin TV was more focused on like business, media, and type things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they were trying to do, and obviously Twitch exploded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun conversation though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also think it's be a fun conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can say that meeting decided Twitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What a weird, but it works, doesn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, it's just a name that people use.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, it works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What else would you call it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Streaming TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to do like the actual order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily direct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like totally appropriate family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Friendly on lessons rate is a certain thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dot TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dot com slash BR slash UK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the best slash are you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's an interesting conversation, but I think in the end, you do have some part to play and controlling the meta in a game where you can make so many choices, and I don't mean the meta in the sense for what everybody's doing, but what you're doing, where you're finding fun and what's enjoyable, and then it becomes harder to play a game like Path of Exile when you watch too many people play Path of Exile, because you're comparing what you can do to what they can do, and if you can't differentiate the fact that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're playing the game maybe a couple hours a day or a week to somebody who gets to play all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Path of Exile is a grinding game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the same type of game where you're playing, you know, a Zelda game where there, if I go here, I get this and then I go there and I'm following a story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the whole point of the game is to grind and get your stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think you have to find a way to just compare it against yourself and have fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're having fun, then...

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[SPEAKER_01]: cares if somebody else is going faster, getting more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to probably always struggle with pathive exhalos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's grown as just the mentality from people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've had people that go like, oh, it's two weeks and I can't start the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense to me that that changes your enjoyment of how you play the league, but that is also me being judgey because if it is how you enjoy playing the league, then you do you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not judgey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just different preferences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's okay to laugh at someone for preferences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm teasing poking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like our private league is coming up, and if you die, we are going to laugh at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you laugh all the time, but I still know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you'll just see getting way better at not feeling bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go, no, no, no, let's get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone better than you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it is, it feels so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels so good because, yeah, you know, they feel bad and you, they might even go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, got wrenched like, I get pissed when I'm dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: every time, and I'm not expecting anything, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not expecting anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I get pissed when I'm dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second I see someone say, ha ha, or loser, I get this flash of rage, but then immediately I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I deserve it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but like sure I get mad in that moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And immediately, it's like the Haja punches the rage again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, so make sure you send lots because the more Haja's there are, the more punches there are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost like it punches it away because it's like having a sticky note.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that just says it's just a game or it's just for fun whatever it is right like when you are fine pointing out that it's just that okay like I chose to put my time into this I knew I was playing hardcore to begin with and that we're going to die we know it going into it my goal is always to get dead out before the F's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no F's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't F anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's we're disallowing F's only just that's derogatory laughter from this point forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please imagine if we could actually get everybody to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They won't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome if everybody just laughed every time someone died.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't hit not just us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of rude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody does it to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Share the loudest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of just hitting F, take the extra time to hit that extra button, go HA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the one benefit F has is when you put your hands on the keyboard the way your set power is down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that little thing on your left is because that's where your index finger goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't matter because H.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Enter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so we privately, I think I don't know how what we're talking about, but it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you didn't play at all this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and it's still similar to the last stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I found a way, I don't know if I talked about this and after dark or not, so I apologize if I'm being a little bit redundant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I found a way to get rid of firestorm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this must have been after Darky was okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you do tell me tell us anyway?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just make it quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I'm doing zombies and I'm doing skeletons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've, I've set the build up so that it's perfect for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one button.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have all the men in the world that I need and things are clearing fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My single target's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My,

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[SPEAKER_00]: physical damage mitigation sucks because I'm just a witch and I'm just pure inner, I'm life and energy shield, but like one crossbow bolt is just like a huge amount of it gone and like I'm in the high 60s low 70s for maps depending on what's dropping and I have

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in total, I think I have 3500 health, right with health and energy shield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're level 6G something of 6070?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 75.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am in my favorite range of levels and path back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 60 to 80.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am enjoying myself for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but like that was part of the frustrations and events that I was having last week and I saw some conversations in our discord which it's it's a little bit slower now makes sense because of the time elite but the sometimes the conversations at this time of you know when the leagues are dying down they stand out a little bit more because there's not much going on there's not

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[SPEAKER_00]: 200 messages to go through there's 13 or whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I'm lucky I see some of the conversations, and like some people are getting huge amounts of EAS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, there's like the banter about, you know, how it compares to armor and evasion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was thinking, I'm like, you know, what that actually makes sense to have such high values of energy shield on the tree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Compared to evasion and armor, because those are mitigating values.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they, though they do diminish over time, whereas energy shield, it's not a mitigating value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, here's your health pool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're still going to be taking huge chunks of damage if you can't find another way to mitigate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to give you the opportunity to get way more energy shield than you would armor or evasion just to make up for the fact that you have a lack of medication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That lack of amination is primarily physical, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at the end of the day because it's it's additive for your resists, right, but it's not for physical damages that underlying because of how they do armor and accuracy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... so you know i don't mind that it's just that the process for me from a soul cell phone perspective to find energy shield but maintain my resist like this part of the game it's not i don't have what i need i still feel pretty glass canony but i know like i'm i have a very defensive i'm fifty fifty when it comes to offensive defense maybe even more so maybe sixty thirty sixty thirty

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[SPEAKER_00]: 66-33 when it comes to defense versus offense, but I still feel too squishy for that investment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe there's something to be said for how...

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[SPEAKER_00]: the leveling process works with it, but I know that by the end, like through some of the stats that I see people posting and that I've looked up, like I'll get so much energy shield later on once I have, you know, better gear, better rings and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not rings for yes, but resist so that I can focus more on other things on the rest of my gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, so I'm doing a zombie build, and I'm a witch, I'm a litch, and the litch means nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I did discover about the litch though, you know, that one node where it says you have no inherent manner region, but six percent of your maximum life is regenerated as manner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: inherent doesn't have an underlined to it, so you can't check what that means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason I just thought that meant I can't get Manorigen except from this node.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I get no inherent Manorigen, but 6% of my maximum life gets regenerative as, as Manor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, you thought that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I thought this whole time I just needed more life so that my mana would regenerate faster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that meant only my natural mana regen was gone and any increases to mana regen I got on the tree worked with my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I solved my mana problems that I was talking about earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: easily because I just started noticing that those nodes actually really worked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I respect into even a more energy shield heavy tree, but that inherently came with a lot more manner region that was coupled with those same nodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed a massive, massive difference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then I had clarity to my build and that adds a big difference and it was just, and the thing that actually made it click for me was what's it called Essence Harvest?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is the

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[SPEAKER_00]: But basically, I get a certain percentage of mana regenerated every time I was on B or every time a linked minion revives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started, all of a sudden, one day I'm playing and I'm like, yeah, this like this, no, it is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then also in a real estate, wait, that's not supposed to be working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm only supposed to be getting mana regenerated from my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then that got me thinking into then as I respect, which I was going to do anyway, I kind of took my time,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I chose that character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually too like that change in Manorigen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does, but I never paid attention to it because my mind said no inherent Manorigen, just meant like no Manorigen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't, like there's no definition for inherent and there should be because that doesn't have a specific definition within the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's nothing, well, maybe there is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I didn't click on Manor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, like, the terms need to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't have to go search search search search search search.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't need to inherit mana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have to go not click on inherent, but I have to click on mana to see if there's any special rules about mana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should just be able to click on inherent, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe clicking on inherent takes me to the mana page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it's just like, save a couple steps for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so anyway, so my idea is I'm just creating power charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I can, um, my skeletons are doing minion instability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they just explode, uh, of course, within for an Legion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's not a lot that supports that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already getting my minions to negative resists on bosses with, uh, elemental weakness and frostbom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So something like fire pen doesn't help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in this game, penetration only works until zero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot use penetration to get an enemy into negative resists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that value is at the end of the equation up before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So firepand doesn't start the beginning, and then it applies elemental weakness, and then for us bomb exposure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it applies those other two, and then if there's anything left, then that's fire pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like that because, well, it's just to make it a waste.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why am I going to, I'm not going to use, like, if I'm already doing something that I'm already going to be using these other two skills,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's something in the game though that can make you go into the negatives aren't there, but it's just a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But elemental, elemental, so curse is and expose your can bring you into the negatives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a giant can, but if I'm already going that route.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it saves you as a support spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does, but it also makes it completely pointless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm about to partially invest and have fire pen and then refute, like I'm obviously going to use the other stuff too if I'm going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't seem to not have to use those depending on what you're doing in the build, you could be using just fire pen and not using the other two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but there's so much, especially when it comes to bosses, especially with like you use something like temporal change that has the double con right like bosses already are 50% less they succumb 50% less two curses and then you have the slow and that's also bosses are 50% less encumbered by slows so it's like you know, I think part of the fun of choices though,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's my point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like Penn provides me a choice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've it basically erases a choice for me because of how Penn works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe there's a lot of other opportunities for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, there's no point for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, with minion instability, it actually allows me to have other types of supports that benefit my build because there's very little that actually helps with the damage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you put something like feeding frenzy on there, if you're using minion instability for damage, feeding frenzy doesn't actually work well unless you give your minions some fire resist because they explode before they even get to the enemy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, in this case, my minion stability is now secondary damage, so I just want them to explode as fast as possible, and I used to have it so that whenever they died, my cast on minion death,

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[SPEAKER_00]: skills would trigger, and that would be frostbom, that would be, and that would leave behind a few elemental random, random, random, random, and then I would have snap on there because my minion instability would constantly ignite people, and then snap would remove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the burning and then leave fire reminette on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would have fire storm because fire storm was a way for me to use multiple elemental remnants, different elemental remnants, consume them and then go to the only the reason that I cared about that was because there was a notable on the tree still is a notable on the tree that when you consume a reminette, so use it

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was my way of being able to use my minions as damage, my infernal Legion, and then also just have non-stop power charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a way more efficient version than what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just couldn't handle it because there was a constant fire storm on my screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, every single time one of those many fireballs and cold because I was consuming a cold permanent too, would hit the ground, my controller's vibrating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was just non-stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It allowed me to have my skeletons explode every four seconds, which was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it allowed me to use that minion instability damage along with my zombie damage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could just hold down the zombie button and they also would be exploding and it was nonstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it would be like every five seconds, I'd be getting another three-power charge just over and over and over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one consequence or the negative thing about that build was I'd have to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, when I'm clearing no problem, they're everywhere, but during a boss battle, they were, I'd maybe only get to and that's fine because I didn't that set up of getting power charges is more difficult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and my skeletons are already doing big explosion damage anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I'm not always in those spots when I'm in a boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to be safe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not thinking about remnants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the damage is a little bit slower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was too busy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I did was I actually went back to the original idea way back when the game first, first, came out of doing sacrifice and then on cast on minion death would cast profane ritual, then profane ritual would consume the corpses and my skeleton's corpses and then give me power charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, the reason that I didn't think that it would work before and I'm pretty sure it didn't I'm pretty sure it changed, but maybe I'm just wrong, is undead in the sacrifice description.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It says, use your undead skeletons or undead reviving minions, they count as corpses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, that means they need to be alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to me, undead isn't a tag of an enemy because again, undead is also not tagged, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not underlined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing that says in the game, undead is a type of minion versus a live or versus this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when's the last time you saw on the tree?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A cluster that said increased damage versus undead enemies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right to me like there's nothing in the game that specific about what undead is so I just thought that meant not alive or sorry undead me not alive yet right like there's they're not laying dead on the ground they have to be alive and walking around and that so that never worked for me because of how the revive timer works you cast profane ritual you cast profane ritual it's like okay one dies the timer starts okay now another one dies the timer kind of restart some time like it

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was way too delayed for that to be a consistent way to get power charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was trying it out anyway and I discovered that when my skeletons die, they leave corpses on the ground with proofing or with sacrifice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they basically have the revive penalty for sacrifice this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now my skeletons are like eight seconds to revive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot less.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, so they're like barely damage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now in terms of DPS, they still good do good damage when they explode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've less skeletons and they're exploding only half as much or half as often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But having six skeletons explode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: will still is still enough for three profane rituals to go off, so I am still every nine seconds, 10 seconds getting three power charges consistently, even in a boss fight, which is more consistent than my old setup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've played around with two options when it comes to zombies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still just holding down my right trigger, and my mana regen is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've played around with zombies, also having me in instability, but I've also played around with zombies just focusing on their physical damage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't decide between the two, they're both fun, but I am enjoying it, and it's a lot of fun, but that way is a lot less even though my minions are still exploding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's way less visually intense, then you have a firestorm, non-stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd go back to the other way with the power of infusion notable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if there was another skill like firestorm, but was there could so visual or like I haven't found one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like there might be another one coming and so I'll be watching for that for sure because it provided me way more opportunity to

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[SPEAKER_00]: It provided me the ability to cast my zombies way more often, and it required much less spirit, which allowed me to use minion instability as damage as well for my skeletons as opposed to just secondary health.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I've been doing and that's it's been a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about the

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, like I've played a little, I'm loving the gold, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how gold works just for respeking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love being able to try stuff out in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't think the ability to respeck in the game ruins the hard corners of the game, especially with how long and tedious it is to set a character up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm loving gold and I love like, okay, I'm going to take this note, I'm going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: take it off, okay, what's my manager, and then I just spend gold and put it back on, like I'm not worried about even getting like orbs of regret or anything like I'm just, I'm having a really good time with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's been a lot of fun figuring out the character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I find the character boring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it works for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right, but I don't find like I like more of the way that the druids set up where it's like I'm doing stuff and my minions support me and I support my minions, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't just he or you one sort of the boring style though play like where the minions did the work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I didn't have any options that worked for me because of how like Leapslam worked like I love the idea of consecrated path like I'm leaping in there And I'm boom boom boom and I'm giving like consecrated ground to my enemies and they're following me with meat shields staying nice and tight like I love that idea But then to invest in both my damage

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[SPEAKER_00]: which could be done with spiritual aid, but then I need to deal with accuracy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then that's like, okay, well, I don't, that's gonna spread me so thin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then do I go to Resilute Technique, but then I'm already over there and it's like, okay, but then I'm missing out on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they added convoking ones or whatever they were called.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Around that time and it's like, man, now like missing out on all these stats that can only roll on these minion ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I would not be benefiting my build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the idea of what the Druid is is exactly what I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I just don't care about shapeshifting at all, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, that's cheesy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a disc at all, not a criticism, like I think it's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I don't like to play like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been thinking about other ways to do those kinds of things and it's it's fun, but I'm also with the attribute system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I can do a strength into character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then primarily focus on

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I think you can, but it's just more geared-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think having moderate amounts of both armor and energy shield because again, now you need like five prefixes, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, the loads of trees do get a job if it helps with that, but some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's just it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, having my split for strength and then it's like okay well now I can't release myself because I need 155 in for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, I could focus on strength because that gets me stuff and there's some minions that scale with strength, but I'm like, yeah, but I'm split because half my ints over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems a little bit more tough vanilla-wise to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Having a good time, but I keep playing in my head, all these other opportunities like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This week, like that, the build your time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I kept thinking about what it would be like to be a Smith of Ketava and do this build, right, and just have my armor all, like really decked out, right, my body armor, and would it be fun to be the Smith of Ketava, but with intelligence armor?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds great to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm still getting a lot of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can send you a link that Ethan sent me where apparently some guy beat Path of XL2 in two hours and like 50 minutes at the Some one of those gaming done quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I remember the call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they were as money the grandstands, but he sent it to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, look, I died I haven't washed it, but I'm pretty sure he cheats

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, yeah, I wonder if that's just finding a niche in the game or if that's just knowing the game really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's got to be a combo both and cheating, because three hours, come on, back three, one zone takes half of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do you have to know about how maps are laid out to know exactly where to go and how and when and what skill are you using until you jump from level one to level 10 to level 10 to level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Barb?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Burter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do you find it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to go in the, in the, at least you'll find these beams of light coming out of these Citadel's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a blue one, a red one, and a green one, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you have to kill the boss, which is act one, act two, and act three bosses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to kill one of each of them and they drop a little relic and then you take the relic to the burning monolith and you place them in the little thingy and then you go fight this boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very like grinding and collecting and you can whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not super hard because you will see the beams, you just have to be able to kill the bosses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I find it a little bit annoying because then I make sure that I don't do those maps hard, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't want the boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, just imagine an act, a Gregory with a bunch of bullshit mods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I'm so disappointed he lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted him to be Jamerick way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he, oh, did we talk, yeah, yeah, we knew the Ashman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently he barely lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is because of those stupid yellow wormhole portals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you fight those three guys and then, uh, they drop a relic and then you take it to the Merdy Bernie Martin lesson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you, it's actually really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You take this like ride on Nutnell that down on elevator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you beat it, you see a little cutscene of something jumping in and doing some stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I assume it needs to more stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big maze.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: helps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm introduced to the burning monolith right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it's burning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So on the quest list, it's like, blah, blah, blah burning monolith, and I'm looking around like, well, nothing's on fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's, there's a cool tower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a big circle maze around it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing about that is burning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I go and I interact with it and it lets me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can put my stuff in right away if I want to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, oh, level 82.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, didn't notice that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's instant dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I go and I travel around and it's all about the corrupted stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The icons look very similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the difference between a corrupted area and a corrupted nexus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The actual icons are something like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: get into old for this and but i'm having a good time with it like i'm going through and i don't really know what the maybe they have a design for there to be multiple strategies for going through the map i don't really know what it is because i'm going through what i'm going to do it just in just the the the the the the the the atlas at the end you know just like how to go through i feel like i'll already i started spreading myself to the point where i'm school

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[SPEAKER_00]: and scrolling and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be having way more fun if their map designs were better by some of them are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even about like the layout of the perimeter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about the amount of junk that is in the middle of the map that I have to do with the amount of crap that's in the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the only thing that's really, I mean, I'm a little bit bored with my build and

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a lot in the game that really interests me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like stuff like Frostbowl, like this constantly casting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that, but it's just weak, like it's just not going to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As a primary skill, it's meant very much as a secondary skill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like, it's just those little things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in terms of my interest level, I'm limited, but I am enjoying the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I find that depending on the map and not the mods, but like the actual map base, the termines, if I actually enjoy the map or not, I find 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some maps just do not have a lot of crap in the middle of the map.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am given the freedom to actually fight the enemies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not

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[SPEAKER_00]: scrounging around all of a sudden stuck somewhere or not realizing why my minions can or can't fit through this area when they can, you know, with that seems inconsistent with other times where they could easily run through and then there's just some map layout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunately, it's more lap map layouts than not, but some map layouts are just

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but they're designed or they roll with so much crap, whether it's trees or bushes or benches or logs that look so too dimensional, you think you should be able to walk over them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, no, no, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize how 3D they were, you gotta go around and so it's a lot of that really takes me out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right when I'm having to like stare at the mini map to see if there's something and then sometimes I'm stuck on stuff that's not on the mini map it's just I have to I can't walk through it have to roll through but it's just lots of not interacting with combat it's interacting with stuff that takes me out of the experience and so I love my gameplay with certain maps

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[SPEAKER_00]: The unfortunate conflict with that is map or path 1 suited that experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: GGG could make any map any way they wanted and users would just pick whatever worked best for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's say you're doing flame dash all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't care about all that crap in the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was running around so you could pick different maps that enjoyed, for me I always enjoyed race course because I liked how visually clear that was and there was nothing that was ever in your way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just nice and clear, no stupid trees in front of your way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was very little like they didn't put a bench in the middle of the race course, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was nice and clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And great for wallhugging too, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, you can't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they determine what map you're playing in a way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I never have that choice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that does put more on us on them to make things more generally enjoyable or more generally clear or more whatever it is, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just be as random because the user doesn't have that choice to be picky anymore.

58:18.472 --> 58:18.913
[SPEAKER_00]: So, right?

58:18.893 --> 58:20.255
[SPEAKER_00]: I find that really is right now.

58:20.295 --> 58:32.251
[SPEAKER_00]: My biggest hindrance, I've been enjoying my gameplay outside of that and really enjoying the ability to make this build in now two different ways, very one button and very self-sustainable.

58:32.351 --> 58:33.613
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been a lot of fun.

58:33.633 --> 58:36.257
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even ramble about it, but that's for your patience.

58:36.277 --> 58:37.579
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Path of Exile one.

58:37.619 --> 58:43.366
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that they have a, I was opening your links for this week in Path of Exile, because I know we're all over the map today, but that's fine.

58:44.328 --> 58:47.432
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have a timeline coming, oh my god.

58:47.412 --> 58:53.083
[SPEAKER_01]: But all they said was 320 early March, is this keeping it open because it's keeping up with their four months cycle.

58:53.103 --> 58:54.645
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, okay.

58:54.665 --> 58:56.148
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't an announcement for me.

58:56.168 --> 58:58.012
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, it's just we have a four.

58:58.052 --> 59:02.600
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and you got to say it that it was post, but it's always fun to make fun of.

59:02.660 --> 59:04.424
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know that schedule we have.

59:04.704 --> 59:05.185
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

59:05.165 --> 59:24.895
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on a deep in it, so yeah, I'm just I was reading through the patches and I saw that they did one big one the D patch yep and the one thing that so I haven't played obviously for a little bit I stopped playing when they did the

59:25.550 --> 59:41.932
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, where I couldn't block a room or I couldn't save a room, I know that they reverted that I just didn't come back after that and then got busy, but the very first, the first line players who died during the architecture at Zery Boss fights can now respawn in a new instance of the temple with most of the content removes and loot how endgame maps work, which it does.

59:42.172 --> 59:46.798
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually one of the things that don't really like, oh, how they deal with endgame, like, if you do a map,

59:46.778 --> 59:50.562
[SPEAKER_01]: And you, you know, we like to hug the right and you come across the boss.

59:51.002 --> 01:00:10.423
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you may actually be better to skip the boss and finish the map because if you do the boss and die, you can still redo the boss, but the map is empty.

01:00:10.623 --> 01:00:12.605
[SPEAKER_00]: I do actually find as I'm going through the maps.

01:00:13.046 --> 01:00:15.949
[SPEAKER_00]: I, yes, you can check points in really stupid areas.

01:00:16.549 --> 01:00:21.074
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they have a big enough reveal radius for walking by them.

01:00:21.274 --> 01:00:25.159
[SPEAKER_00]: There's sometimes we're all starting that and the check point is to do the map.

01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.061
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a wall if I'm like, yeah, come on.

01:00:27.081 --> 01:00:28.642
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, I'm not getting that last rare.

01:00:28.742 --> 01:00:30.805
[SPEAKER_00]: After that, like I'm running this way.

01:00:31.285 --> 01:00:32.947
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a million check point.

01:00:32.967 --> 01:00:33.728
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm a million.

01:00:33.748 --> 01:00:37.051
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I actually think they need to further improve their check point system.

01:00:37.111 --> 01:00:39.634
[SPEAKER_00]: But because they have the checkpoint system,

01:00:39.817 --> 01:00:42.320
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot less like I get the complaint too.

01:00:42.340 --> 01:00:42.861
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still there.

01:00:42.961 --> 01:00:45.745
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the inconsistency and I am interrupting your night.

01:00:45.865 --> 01:00:47.828
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't acknowledge that, but I apologize.

01:00:48.148 --> 01:00:50.812
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the inconsistency in the game.

01:00:51.192 --> 01:00:53.375
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're going through the campaign, you die.

01:00:53.635 --> 01:00:54.837
[SPEAKER_00]: All the monsters get reset.

01:00:55.378 --> 01:00:55.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:00:55.558 --> 01:00:59.783
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's completely different to how it works in endgame in a way, right?

01:00:59.883 --> 01:01:00.865
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no resetting.

01:01:00.905 --> 01:01:02.567
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the same monsters.

01:01:02.547 --> 01:01:03.529
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, odd.

01:01:03.849 --> 01:01:22.986
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I go through and I'm playing and I'm playing and then I get I kill the boss or I don't kill the boss that changes how the map works whereas in the campaign it doesn't like there's nothing teaching you about these changes in the game and then when you're earning XP versus not earning XP for bosses, that's I think you get a D buff.

01:01:22.966 --> 01:01:25.870
[SPEAKER_01]: that says you're not gaining XP and not losing XP.

01:01:26.411 --> 01:01:27.533
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I remember seeing it.

01:01:28.374 --> 01:01:30.898
[SPEAKER_00]: But you still need that consistency through the game.

01:01:30.918 --> 01:01:35.705
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird to completely change how a game actually functions.

01:01:36.466 --> 01:01:37.067
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:01:37.667 --> 01:01:39.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that's great.

01:01:39.530 --> 01:01:42.354
[SPEAKER_00]: I really hope that they come up with some sort of that as a personal preference.

01:01:42.374 --> 01:01:44.417
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they just kind of tied all together.

01:01:44.477 --> 01:01:49.024
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is actually the same experience that you're learning and fighting through and getting through.

01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:52.546
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so you're talking about the bosses and getting to retry in maps.

01:01:53.548 --> 01:02:08.397
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, well, they may as he can redo the zero fight, which sucks because which is good that they've done it, but it was my frustration as I had finally built and I'd gotten to the stupid extra guy or whatever the other at architect, I got to the architect and then I...

01:02:08.512 --> 01:02:26.723
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't know what I was doing and then eventually realized I got to get a key so I get a key and then I realized that you have to have a key and the room connected I finally finally did all that and then I died in the second phase of a zero Not having any idea what had happened and then I was that was it like start building your so I'm really happy that they did that I just

01:02:27.310 --> 01:02:34.199
[SPEAKER_01]: It is too bad, but it is also a, you have to, for myself, I have to also be fine with it.

01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:42.509
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you are playing an early access game and there are going to be some things that they figure out as they go along, but that one's too bad.

01:02:42.529 --> 01:02:49.998
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some of these things that I was like, man, these, I feel like they probably could have known this ahead of time, but whenever it is, it is what it is.

01:02:50.018 --> 01:02:52.141
[SPEAKER_00]: That's talking about consistency, right?

01:02:52.181 --> 01:02:55.545
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what triggered it in my mind was,

01:02:55.525 --> 01:02:57.267
[SPEAKER_00]: They're already doing that with bosses.

01:02:57.968 --> 01:02:59.890
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this all of a sudden different?

01:03:00.091 --> 01:03:00.571
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shoot.

01:03:00.651 --> 01:03:01.092
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

01:03:01.132 --> 01:03:01.372
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:03:01.553 --> 01:03:03.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they want to retry the black.

01:03:03.115 --> 01:03:03.735
[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of stuff.

01:03:03.815 --> 01:03:10.324
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those other things that makes the user who doesn't know the process and maybe it's true, but that makes it seem rushed.

01:03:10.584 --> 01:03:12.326
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're a month into the league.

01:03:12.466 --> 01:03:18.133
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we can finally retry this boss that took us hours upon hours to try and unlock.

01:03:18.153 --> 01:03:19.195
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's come on.

01:03:19.295 --> 01:03:21.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we can do that for every other boss.

01:03:21.293 --> 01:03:23.356
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's cool that they've come out with this stuff.

01:03:23.476 --> 01:03:25.839
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like I said, I hope I could back in to try it.

01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:34.050
[SPEAKER_01]: I also like, I want to check out with this character sheet now to explain how much item armor evasion you have, like, from your items, I think that's really cool.

01:03:34.470 --> 01:03:37.134
[SPEAKER_00]: I maybe that's a PC mouse and keyboard thing.

01:03:37.594 --> 01:03:47.087
[SPEAKER_00]: I was really excited for that because I'm like, yes, give me more information, like show me how much my items are giving me versus my tree or versus my genes or whatever.

01:03:47.507 --> 01:03:48.769
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see anything.

01:03:48.749 --> 01:03:58.067
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing different in the character screen feel free to load it quick if you have the time I don't have time, but maybe I will before after dark because that could I was I read that was really acceptable That yeah

01:03:58.317 --> 01:04:08.072
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe so like maybe the the most in keyboard screen was different, but it'd be weird if the most in keyboard screen didn't show you how much armor of Asian energy shield you have.

01:04:08.633 --> 01:04:14.882
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, like that was the how like a year into the beta when they finally add that basic detail.

01:04:14.902 --> 01:04:16.144
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way that's what it means.

01:04:16.765 --> 01:04:21.011
[SPEAKER_00]: But I couldn't see anything with controller support on both PC and Xbox any difference.

01:04:21.212 --> 01:04:23.515
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you read these patch notes?

01:04:23.765 --> 01:04:25.327
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's some good humor.

01:04:25.347 --> 01:04:30.395
[SPEAKER_01]: I drew a lot of monster variants have been working out and now deal more to it.

01:04:30.555 --> 01:04:31.076
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like that.

01:04:31.096 --> 01:04:31.636
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like that.

01:04:31.696 --> 01:04:31.937
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:32.277 --> 01:04:32.998
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:34.360
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:35.722
[SPEAKER_00]: Individual for your humor.

01:04:35.923 --> 01:04:36.023
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:36.043 --> 01:04:38.186
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of good shout outs in this patch.

01:04:38.226 --> 01:04:40.790
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to read a couple before we sign off.

01:04:41.070 --> 01:04:42.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Skills are reserved spirit.

01:04:42.132 --> 01:04:43.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Now display their final modified spirit.

01:04:43.754 --> 01:04:45.056
[SPEAKER_00]: Reservation on skill information.

01:04:45.156 --> 01:04:45.857
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, move.

01:04:45.837 --> 01:04:48.401
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that, right, with based on all the ifsans or buts.

01:04:48.641 --> 01:04:49.082
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

01:04:49.743 --> 01:04:53.689
[SPEAKER_00]: I added buff names to buff hover information on enemies.

01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:54.951
[SPEAKER_00]: Love that.

01:04:55.251 --> 01:04:57.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Like now you can actually like there's text.

01:04:57.275 --> 01:04:58.757
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just an icon.

01:04:58.837 --> 01:04:59.157
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

01:04:59.177 --> 01:04:59.919
[SPEAKER_00]: That is good.

01:05:00.439 --> 01:05:04.766
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's nice because it's just that extra bit of information that helps the user understand what's going on.

01:05:04.786 --> 01:05:10.955
[SPEAKER_00]: And then later on when they see that definition or even there, then it's just more knowledge and awareness as you're going through.

01:05:11.036 --> 01:05:11.997
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like that.

01:05:11.977 --> 01:05:15.241
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, anointments on the pass of tree.

01:05:15.261 --> 01:05:16.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you can now view it anytime.

01:05:16.903 --> 01:05:19.006
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't actually have to have to hold on the button.

01:05:19.647 --> 01:05:27.698
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but now it's like you can see it no matter what you have in your inventory before you had to have a distilled emotion equipped to see what things cost.

01:05:27.938 --> 01:05:28.539
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you didn't.

01:05:28.899 --> 01:05:29.540
[SPEAKER_00]: You definitely didn't.

01:05:29.900 --> 01:05:30.101
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:05:30.121 --> 01:05:34.486
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it says pass of tree notable anointment displays no longer require the player to first pick up a distilled emotion.

01:05:35.608 --> 01:05:39.553
[SPEAKER_00]: Pass that tree's nice, blaze or maybe on the tree.

01:05:39.770 --> 01:05:44.017
[SPEAKER_00]: you couldn't see them until you've actually picked one up in general.

01:05:44.698 --> 01:05:49.345
[SPEAKER_00]: So you couldn't see that you could have picked up a first one before you do.

01:05:49.365 --> 01:05:51.568
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I guess that's not a requirement anymore.

01:05:51.949 --> 01:05:52.370
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

01:05:52.410 --> 01:05:53.532
[SPEAKER_00]: And then adjusted the damage.

01:05:53.552 --> 01:05:54.753
[SPEAKER_01]: What was that ever a thing?

01:05:55.154 --> 01:05:57.017
[SPEAKER_01]: Why was that ever a thing that probably is?

01:05:57.157 --> 01:06:00.883
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably an oversight, probably not a design, probably just like

01:06:00.863 --> 01:06:01.364
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:06:01.504 --> 01:06:02.326
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to be a design.

01:06:02.366 --> 01:06:13.290
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have to have been a design choice to be like, oh, I get the idea of like, well, they first picked up their first annoying, uh, gem thing, you know, now by picking it up, it's seat into their skin and they have vision.

01:06:13.331 --> 01:06:16.477
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really understand the lore behind it, but that's a weird one.

01:06:16.778 --> 01:06:17.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, cool.

01:06:17.620 --> 01:06:32.828
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but I could also come with the, remember when the beta was first announced, there was this, lots of consideration they were talking about all the different side different ideas to not overwhelm the user like, you know, one of the ideas they had that they never did for us, but, um,

01:06:32.808 --> 01:06:34.671
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you start off with a small tree.

01:06:34.831 --> 01:06:38.716
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as you start going into the tree, it starts expanding more and more and more.

01:06:38.756 --> 01:06:42.722
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's there's always the thought of how much are we overwhelming?

01:06:43.383 --> 01:06:43.923
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:06:43.963 --> 01:06:44.905
[SPEAKER_00]: Our people, right?

01:06:44.925 --> 01:06:49.431
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in my high dode, I have how, like how many different crafting benches already.

01:06:49.471 --> 01:06:51.494
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have like two and a half leagues out.

01:06:51.834 --> 01:06:55.980
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you have recombinators, you have, whoa, what's the other one?

01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:13.530
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the one that splices your mods, then there's the one that you can just take like three amulets and make a new amulet and then there's the salvaging bench for the sake of socket and then there's identifying and then selling but then disenchanting which is already

01:07:13.510 --> 01:07:14.852
[SPEAKER_00]: and we're like two leagues in.

01:07:14.912 --> 01:07:16.153
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot.

01:07:16.173 --> 01:07:20.058
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that was just part of their, you know, let's slow things down for the new player.

01:07:20.478 --> 01:07:21.019
[SPEAKER_00]: Be very cool.

01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:27.306
[SPEAKER_00]: And then adjust to the damage to a, a whole bunch of different bosses, but the sky, see here in the base lord were tool.

01:07:28.327 --> 01:07:29.528
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of fixes to which is great.

01:07:29.969 --> 01:07:30.950
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, huge amount of fixes.

01:07:31.010 --> 01:07:35.375
[SPEAKER_00]: And then updated the slow keyword to state that monsters can't be slowed below.

01:07:35.395 --> 01:07:37.037
[SPEAKER_00]: You would implement them on threshold.

01:07:37.017 --> 01:07:39.822
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's nice because without that, how do you know?

01:07:40.464 --> 01:07:51.524
[SPEAKER_00]: You keep investing in the temporal chains or chill or whatever, and you don't realize that it's redundant because you're trying to get them like, why can't I get past 25 or I get the diminishing returns?

01:07:51.544 --> 01:07:56.794
[SPEAKER_00]: So what else do I need to make it work like it just saves you time when you know that there's a flat baseline, right?

01:07:56.814 --> 01:07:57.135
[SPEAKER_00]: So...

01:07:57.301 --> 01:07:57.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

01:07:58.563 --> 01:08:02.968
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all things that should be in the game, but it's nice to see them as they're added.

01:08:02.988 --> 01:08:07.934
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, in two seconds, we'll take it all for granted and complain about something else.

01:08:07.954 --> 01:08:08.495
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good.

01:08:08.515 --> 01:08:10.377
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was just a big week.

01:08:10.397 --> 01:08:11.158
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to try it out.

01:08:11.699 --> 01:08:15.723
[SPEAKER_00]: And January 30th for our PL is two episodes away.

01:08:17.125 --> 01:08:19.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Loom, do you want to discard your find the information on there?

01:08:19.508 --> 01:08:20.850
[SPEAKER_01]: Feel free to join.

01:08:20.910 --> 01:08:41.219
[SPEAKER_00]: We will add spots as needed so don't worry if it looks like it's about to fill up because I think it is And there's not a rush for us to fill in the spots just as long as those spots everybody is good for when the league starts So don't panic if you're on a waiting list or if we haven't officially approved you if you haven't logged into the site in a long time Don't panic we'll get there.

01:08:41.259 --> 01:08:48.790
[SPEAKER_00]: We check it once a day once every two days Yep once a year something like that.

01:08:49.006 --> 01:08:49.527
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's drop this up.

01:08:50.107 --> 01:08:56.934
[SPEAKER_01]: A forever exiled, 320, I'm just naked, tags, and I'm Tyler Rekker of Days.

01:08:57.435 --> 01:08:59.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Patrons will catch an afterdark, everybody else will see you next week.

01:09:01.018 --> 01:09:02.780
[SPEAKER_01]: We get a website for every exiled.com.

01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:10.588
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a discord as mentioned before, pop in there, say hello and join the private league and Patreon and other ways to put the podcast to find them down below and on the website.

01:09:11.089 --> 01:09:11.269
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

01:09:11.810 --> 01:09:12.230
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

01:09:12.831 --> 01:09:13.732
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I almost hit.

01:09:13.752 --> 01:09:14.593
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the wrong one.

01:09:14.773 --> 01:09:17.916
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost ended our conversation, not the recording.