Ascending to Three

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, come to Foreverx, I'll them just make a tag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Tyler, record days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is episode three, six, five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't even have my notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 365 episodes together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Big show to your patrons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were gonna say something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm being interactive in a conversation that I'm not listening to, because I forgot to bring up my notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A big shout to our patrons thanks to everybody who re-subbed up this past week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patron gets to access to afterdark as our podcast after the podcast and we keep going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we appreciate the sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a robotic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you switched the book nice job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did it first time in a long time that you haven't needed to save me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a great book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not my hat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very tell you what's a great book, Dungeon Crawler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which number are you on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the last one that's been released so far?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think eight or nine, nine, maybe so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't actually know, I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I know I'm gonna hit a wall eventually, but it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So freaking good, I'm halfway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little bit over halfway, done the seventh one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, glorious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, there's a lot of people on our discord that are on the same book as you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it was funny that there were people on the same one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they, you know, way faster than I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah, it wouldn't be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't read, but anyway, I was like, that's been a good week, man, been a good week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of those regular weeks, but falls definitely hits, so you know, the kids were in the rain jackets, a school every day just in case, because you know, it is the season in the lower mainland and then honestly, yeah, it's just been very normal week, nothing special, nothing fancy, just going through the motions less than a week, or sorry, less than a month until

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like six seven eight something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the day you leave them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh I don't know sir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then we like travel through time and we get there like ten days later or something Still not a way back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Traveling through time that on the way back I think we go back in time and you know we'll leave on the 30th and get back on the 22nd of the same month kind of thing, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, so that's that's cool, but we're gonna kind of we're going to my in-laws for Thanksgiving, this coming we can happy Thanksgiving Everything's given to the entire world happy Canadian thanks to giving to the entire world We will celebrate our Thanksgiving

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably everybody, but Let's put a real close to Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do gifts for both smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's not gifts for Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think they're used to be That's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're turkeys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not boxing day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the other one Black fry or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the is it black Friday?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's they're saying right and we just we'll be just leave off

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just like, yes, please.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll share that border with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, who knows prices are going to be like now with everything that goes on, but true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All these wonderful trade wars, but yeah, so we're going, this will be the first time we go to her parents' place for Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, over a decade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we normally don't like to drive over the other ways and stuff like that, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: the weather's been relatively fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the stage of October.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also our anniversary every Thanksgiving to right October.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you know, how often do we want to like, you know, and go to my mom's were there for a few hours, but when we were in Aaron's parents place were there for the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks a lot now, but obviously it's nice to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be doing that this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll celebrate our anniversary another time and We'll be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's It'll be nice to go there just for like one of those quick weekends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's long weekend, of course, where we come from the kids have Monday off of school So we'll be leaving first things Saturday morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can quietly celebrate your anniversary at her parents' place That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we could

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, hey, hey, don't be so hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me distract myself, don't burn yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, trying to come up with a conversation that'll get rid of my half or let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, just got the stupid smile on my face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's all it's gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be a great weekend now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a smiley face down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's gonna be a good weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But why did I bring that up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, so I cannot listen to this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, my kids are gonna be on the behind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we still haven't told the kids

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, don't listen to last week's episode either because you said that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but I'm like I'm still on like episode three and a four year something like that cool and so Yes, so if there's any technical glitches that people have been just too kind to not say anything about yeah, we won't know both in for another year, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my kids don't know yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, before we want this to be a, oh, shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, I don't think they listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To be a surprise to my in-laws, because we share locations on Google Maps with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be really fun to just all of a sudden be on the other side of the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, they're like, uh, they're like, uh, a little bit wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then all of a sudden it's like four days later and it's like, uh, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, it's such a take a step out for a sec.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be right back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you'll find out if they even check it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but my kids don't like, even like surprise secrets, my kids have the kind of personalities where they just feel like they're wronging someone when they're hiding something from someone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, not trying to get out of trouble, but other kind of stuff, and so we're not, we definitely aren't going to tell them until after we come back from the Thanksgiving weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, but then we aren't quite sure how close we want to leave it, because, you know, we got to tell the teachers that they're going to be gone for two weeks, and if there's anything they need to do ahead of time, or after, but we don't want the teachers to spoil the surprise, so probably going to have to do it sooner or later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is like the last weekend where it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fine, and that also means you're not getting any Christmas gifts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably birthday gifts And then they're not going to want to come any more They're gonna have a blast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's gonna be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've we've been doing really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the regular rule

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[SPEAKER_01]: My crazy stressed out son is really comfortable with middle school now, which is nice and good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Daughter's living the dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just had her appointment for her individual education plan that she has and that was nice because it's different teacher different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whatever the person's called that is in charge of the individual education plans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually forget what their title is called, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man, we were able to bring some stuff up about other kids that don't leave Violet alone and things like that, and it was a really, really constructive conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm good looking forward to her final year in middle school for her sake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's excited for things you'll actually get to enjoy this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that will you, How's How's Volleyball?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How's Cross Country?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Up early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My was today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: early to school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you weigh earlier than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, my kids are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Life's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My my daughter finished cross countries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're finished with that, which was

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, it was so fun that she did it, shocking, weird, but she had a good time doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's so funny because she's not an overly competitive person, but no, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes she is, I don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of picks and chooses, but in cross country, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy to just be out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: doing her thing waving to her fans like she's just having a good time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was really fun to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went Christina and I took a day off went to the island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just the two of us left to here went and visited Ethan for his 25th birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, so is it weird?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like obviously it's like it's day by day and so okay cool birthday hang out with him hang out with him hang out with Matthew and everything's good but then there's a point where you're like man I'm 26 my kids 25 like you know what I mean exactly you build young still and then you so go like what the heck I don't have a 25 year old

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just get used to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think because we have such a big gap, I'm still dealing with a nine year old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, you just, you're always in this stage of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: parenting at every level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I haven't really felt much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just cool to see him doing his thing and he's happy and healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, I don't know if it ever really fully sinks in or has sunk in, but it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's 25 is doing his thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we, so we went there for the day, we caught a very early ferry out and then took a late, very home and went and took him for a breakfast, late breakfast, and then we did an early lunch before I do what it worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh came to get into

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I like it because they're both because they're both areas as a thing when they're they have Starbucks

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're not on the fairie at the at the two weeks actually being really loud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, man, my desperate dogs trying to pause way under the door and my cats jump in and hang it off the door handle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm figured to be a little yeah, literally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, okay, so anyway, starbucks points on be fairies at the twos in terminal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a starbucks there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: F-O-I-A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bonus points for any listeners that actually interact with community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, opposite opposite bonus points we're not going to give you anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can spell to awesome without looking it up, yeah, everyone who spells a correctly will have looked it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or lives there or live because there's not one other person in this province that can spell it proper even if you live there you probably have to live it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah they have a start mixer but uh and it's very quiet when you take a very early mid week fairie over sure yeah so uh but yeah no it was fun it was a good time went and hung out with him for the day and uh that's just work

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just work, we finished the house of the dragon, the final season that's out, and then there's um.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know it's it's like a in-between thing called a knight of the king of the something kingdom, yep, and it follows this like Dude who is a pretend knight like he never like like you don't really know his story, but he's with an old old night, and that's how his that was a dunk his his name

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he meets this kid named Egg and there's some, you know, you're trying to figure out who this kid is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's very short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only six episodes or eight episodes, but they're only like 30 minutes each.

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[SPEAKER_00]: weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so different when you watch Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon or whatever, and then you watch this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of us were like, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the same?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's almost comedy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's like, it's a bit comedic in some parts, not necessarily like cracking jokes funny, but just situation funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we did finish that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, life's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, no game in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no gaming time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, hang on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so did you play anything this week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: First I have to ask you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I have the big nose?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not an average nose, but I don't think it's like massive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like see do I have a big nose?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look for a normal size nose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So check this out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's why I thought all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can see it

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry listeners, but I'm showing just in the top of my Starbucks cup, you know, yeah, to go Starbucks cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have the little hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So right at the top of the lid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they insert out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's one higher up that allows for the airflow, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only Starbucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only Starbucks has that airflow hole exactly where my nose goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no joke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go to sit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no air flow because my nose is blocking the same red, and I'm like And then so anyway, it's but it's only Starbucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, McDonald's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not too much perfectly for your nose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it not happen to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I probably tilt my head more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never noticed does your nose get does it stop you from being able to like I get like no flow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, your camera wig don't, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you selling it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently your audio, we're still recording.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where'd you go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, did you get a thing that popped up saying like, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On my screen, everything was fine, except you were just completely still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was fine, you were just stuck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually it set at the top, something about reconnecting I've.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Assume it's still running, shows an upload,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and who have I been glitchy a little bit?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same level of you going a fuzzy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my, don't remember what we said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Path of Exiles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, no, I just, I kind of came up with my like, I don't know, forever build, I guess you could say, like I played around a lot with the re-crafting this whole .5 and .5.5 and .5.5.5.5.5.5.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just like getting my bearings, playing a little bit, getting the feel of things, and I know it's weird to say like, you know, the game's been out for like two years already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you, are you stuck to get?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, you're, you're, you're, I thought you were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm literally, I hate this program.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to open your links that you sent me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's none, man, it's they had a patch last week and a patch this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, if you can believe it, that a cosplay thing though I was trying to click on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... it's uh... they what they're doing is they had a post regarding uh... right that makes all con and the rules and mostly around cosplay like what you're allowed to bring in weapons and stuff like that and what all the rules are yep and so um... they did that and then uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then they just showed a picture of previous cost place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's like five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's amazing what people can do with their own time and skill and resources.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then make it so that they don't hate themselves for like, you know, just strung their body at the end of the, at the end of the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it'll be really fun to read these two days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what is two, two days, two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, day one is getting your pass and all that kind of stuff and then day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then yeah, then two full days all Saturday, all Sunday, fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of like, I mean, it sounds kind of weird to, you know, spend two, three, whatever years in beta doing two years, like, try to figure out what it is you like, but at the end of the day, like you're trying a lot of different things, you're trying different spells, and you don't have a lot of time to get them to the end game and try things out, and then you try different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A tendency to try a different class and all these different kinds of things and so I think I've kind of found what it is that I really like And has no tree swapping which is too bad, but All the ideas that I have well, I Almost kind of wish there was the ability to do three you know what I mean like I build with two now you want another one

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's to me it's always like here's my clear tree here's my boss tree and then I want like here's what I wish I could do but I can't do it in either tree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean it's like it's not great at bossing it's not great at clearing but this is what I feel like.

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[UNKNOWN]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me an example.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what that means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to kill all the moms and I don't want to kill both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what do you want to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I guess I could do it with two builds except for the game's rules, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't have two cast on minion deaths, meta gems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can only have one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't have one on one weapon set and then a different one on a different weapon set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't let me do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as a result,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm now basing my two trees on those kinds of restrictions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you choose to use them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, right, but my build will always have cast on minion death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's, I would love cast on minion death to do this for clearing and then I would love cast on minion death to do something completely different for bossing, but I can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then I have to kind of misshmash my ideas so that cast on minion death works on both trees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because either that or I don't have cast on minion death on one of them, which

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying like that that would be an example of a restriction that handcuffs me instead of allows me the freedom to do what I want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as a result, I have cast on minion death doing a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then as a result, because there's some things that I can't do there, I would like to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: do it somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I keep finding myself like I would like to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would like to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because of the restrictions, I'm missing out on one thing that I really want to add.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of want that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if like I could just have three trees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't get what you would do with a third tree though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would be the difference on that third tree?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to give you a specific example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of something right now because my

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but it would be like let's say I want cast on minion death with sacrifice going off often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I'm clearing because there's corpses all around sacrifice is going to give me or sorry, not sacrifice, profane ritual and profane ritual going off on cast on minion death with my skeleton student minion instability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to give me power charge after power charge and I can get my zombies up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, that's not going to work for almost every boss battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I'd rather cast on minion death to do something beneficial when it comes to elemental infusions based on that notable on the tree that gives me whenever I consume a power or infusion I get a power charge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd rather have cast on minion death do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also would love to be able to swap to having either blasphemy on at the same time or I would love to be able to have minion survivability on one and just because of how the gems coincide or the restrictions between like I totally get having one cast on minion death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At a time, but it would be awesome if I could have one per weapon set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I get why they don't because they allow you to have like basically like across the buffs, I guess you could say, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I was to have cast on minion death on one and it did frost bomb and it gave me all the exposure and then I swapped to the other one, frost bomb still going and I still get the benefit from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get the restriction, but because of the restrictions, there's always

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can never reach everything that's exciting me about a build.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not necessarily a bad design either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, there's always something that I really wish I could do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if I add that to the build, there's that other thing that I'm, I mean, that's what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, I mean, that's replay value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's good designing with all those kind of restrictions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, so with all of that being said, uh, I think I finally found a way that I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: uncomfortable and happy playing and I'm like, you know, not looking over my shoulder, thinking about whatever mechanic that really interests me kind of thing, like I kind of, even to some of the things like I kind of got blasted me out of my hair, I'm like, all right, yeah, I played a good amount with that and I got the broots out of the way and like, yeah, okay, I got the broots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so as long as there's no, which they're easily could be because it's beta, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: ginormous balance changes with the strength of things like minion instability and exposure and how things stack and how you get enemies into the negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as there's no massive changes to that, I got all the pseudo stuff out of the way in minion instability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and curses really one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the restriction of the two, only because we never had the two before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's fun now that we have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it I feel like PUE has always done a very good job of giving you good handcuffs, where you can do a lot, but at a certain point you have to make a choice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have to pick a direction and sort of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're they're actually quite good at letting you change your mind and and adjust but I do like that they're There is always that Thing that you're like, but I can't reach that, but what am I getting out of not doing that that you know makes up for it or what am I willing to give up to then get it I bet you if we had a third one

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[SPEAKER_00]: than eventually within a year we'd be like, man, but imagine if we could have a fourth, like, oh, totally, it wouldn't stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't stop at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with you, completely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The choice is not criticism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just needing to choose between.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is what encourages replay value, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of my criticisms so far with the beta is the lack of

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[SPEAKER_01]: and just by chance out of my preferences, there's like two out of these sentences that currently exist that interest me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there was eight, my replay values monumental, because I have to make tough choices, what about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you actually have more than two that you like though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just maybe not in the play style that you necessarily want to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're talking about like this whole minion and me, because we've talked about the shaman, we've talked about the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The witch version we've been talking about the warrior version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just in terms of like if we're getting into an ascendancy talk

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[SPEAKER_01]: one or two nodes interest me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but there's not an ascendancy out there outside of the smithicatava where the whole ascendancy interests me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the ascendancy is giving me a tough choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: With the lich two nodes interest me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With the shaman one node interest me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest I can find are practical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest are efficient.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's one node is a spirit

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's with the chronomancer, it's just the slow-mo aura that's not an aura, none of the other ones interest me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in some of the cases, though, where there's only a single ascendancy node, then it's probably an ascendancy that's not for you, but even if I think a path of XL1, there's a lot of ascendancies where I only like three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, maybe you're not even like that with puity, too, where there's enough where you even like, three of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's pretty rare for me to find an ascendancy where I like all four, or not, not like all four, but like care, you know, there just becomes like, okay, well, I can get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's helpful, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's helpful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's practical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It means there's something you don't have to invest on the tree because you're getting this over there instead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I mean, there's something that come with negatives too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like with the Litch, I get the sweet manner region where I almost need no extra investment into manner region, even with I'm casting curses, except then it comes with that thing where, you know, certain amount of damage by passes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I'm like, oh, well, now I can't do CI, which I really like kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just those little things, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, but again, that's all just personal stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those aren't those aren't criticisms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you have choices, which is based on preferences and the things you enjoy, it adds that monumental replay value that path of Excel typically would be famous for with the, you know, massive tree, massive class elections.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: really looking for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope at XLCon they announce a lot of ascendancies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would absolutely love it because that's that's what my base all my theory crafting on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That and of course skills I'd like but it's all about like oh I wonder if the skills I like would work with this ascendancy or with that ascendancy or that kind of stuff and so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really hoping, have my fingers crossed for that, but yeah, all that was just to say like choice and what you were saying like with the three trees turning into four trees turning into five trees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two trees is good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you can tell the difference, one reason that I got out of tree swapping was because I can't tell the bloody difference, but I was unspecking, or respecking into this current tree that doesn't have any tree swapping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, I got a, so I, my original tree that I was specking out of had 24 nodes of green and 24 nodes of red, I'm like, okay, I got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But why do I have an odd amount?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have 24 green points left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and seven red points left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, maybe the system's glitch, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I did that one thing or I have that one skill or I don't know whatever it is that makes respeaking weird in the next patch of the little fixed respeaking doing this, sort of you think it means.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know why I couldn't figure it out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally couldn't see the red.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, I've had that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not to go and look at POB and be like, oh, that, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I hover over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still couldn't barely see the red.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hover over it and it says deselect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then I had to go back and I had to look at POB to be like, why can't I inspect this node, why, and then I didn't realize, because I couldn't see that I had the cluster connected to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't the end node anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, that was the key thing I hope they improve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on TV, it's still bad, but it's brighter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all the TV stuff's brighter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anytime I load path to on any of the monitors, it's a lot dimmer, a lot darker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have all, and it doesn't matter, but so I just, I couldn't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still not good on console, but yeah, that was really surprising.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, those are details that they could easily just, like, I don't know, however it is, they change it, but they easily can, so looking forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the concept, like there's so much cool stuff in path to that I just love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's so neat, and that it just swaps with a button.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when they announced that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and they approved it too, where it was instant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in the beginning it was an instant there was actual the time between swapping it's awesome now because it's right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what they should do and it doesn't it doesn't seem to me like it would be very hard is give you in the options sliders and pallets to control what's your weapons at one color, what's your weapons at two color, what's your brightness, what's your saturation like that can't be difficult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To add because I've I've always found that the colors for the weapon sets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I think I'm there and we joked about this one episode when you're trying to Respect you do sometimes just have to select it and go like okay cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's as decent like so I know that I had this one, but otherwise I'd right no for sure if I did that one Yeah, I found that to sure no it they definitely that would be awesome if they could because one thing that they don't have is

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ability for you to know, just by looking at your HUD, what weapon set you have selected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, like which one you're on right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like right, like there's no way for you to know unless your skills act differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but let's say I have 10 for me if I have 10 minions exploding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then my something else is different or something else is different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way for me to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I have for me with my tree swapping that I did a couple of respects ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had it was all minion instability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But one was because I have permanent curses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One had a lot less damage but manner region because I'm casting curses like crazy while I'm clearing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one had a manner region tree and then one just replaced the manner region when I got to the boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'd hit the weapon swap button and I'd get out of all that manner region and I'd cast my two curses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then I wouldn't need my mana anymore because the curses are permanent, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I could never tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing on the screen that indicated it to me because technically my skills were the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just my tree that was changing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll bet you the reason that they never designed anything originally for that was because there wasn't the ability to share the same weapons on each weapon set originally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you would have swapped weapons so then it might be a little bit more obvious or at least you could have seen that you were using a different weapon now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but it would be nice because I've had that sometimes where you hit a skill just to be sure that you moved into that other weapons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's even some skills like I'm using a meta skill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to use a meta skill to weapon swap and it wouldn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was using the spell slinger, whatever the spell slinger skill is, it won't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't actually do the weapon swap for me interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so just just a little wish But yeah, I know that would be nice like even like you know how they have with the portals, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They tell you in a small little number on the HUD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many portals you have left?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you never noticed that on the top of your head, where it's like, you know, I have it up as up on the deep out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've liked the default that they told you to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've kept it there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It tells you in your map how many portals you have left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I noticed that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they've added the ability for you to use portals without you using up portals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, only you could tell based on how many portals were in your hideout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't consume a portal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it just eventually gets the point where it says you can't go into the portal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The portal's there, but it's like you've reached your max use or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess just need to suck as often as you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's just straight off because they like you come back now through the portal if you want to sell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's only a death that resets or makes you lose yet portal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do understand part of it, I just think whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So breathe a little bit more to connect all the dots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, it's just something like that when like if because I like to have weapon swap as the actual button,

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[SPEAKER_01]: because I'm technically not changing my skills between trees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was with the old version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're a sitting actual weapon swap button.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I signed that to Y.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my clear button versus not because it's technically the same skills I'm using in Feeble and Elemental weakness for both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's even harder for you because for me, because I do them based on the skill, it's relatively simple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that if I use X, this would be both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure if I hit X, I know I'm using weapons at Y.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I hit right trigger, I know that's on weapons that too, or whatever it is, that I don't use the actual weapons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be way harder if you're just using a weapon swap button because you would, I don't know how you would ever know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it doesn't work every time you hit the button.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you have to like stop everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm hitting it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now it worked for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a lot of the times when you just think it was it's not working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the skill side, it works perfect at your time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're using the weapon swap, I've never used it before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to do, like, you know, zombies would be for clearing because, um, profane ritual, just it was easy to use while clearing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was cast on minion death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would give me my power charge as zombies are for clearing, and then when I get to the boss, it'd be ball lightning with living lightning, because then I don't get corpses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just miss that craze, like, zombies just hit so hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of, but I might go back to that, and then that would, you know, do my swapping back and forth again, but...

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[SPEAKER_01]: either way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think through my swaps and I haven't actually in the last two leagues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've played a character that did this league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely did not do swapping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a cool feature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want there to be when they come up with all these sentences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want there to be a north.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want there to be an ascendancy that isn't way down south that allows for also a hunt like there's that which which Merck one is it where they get like a hundred weapon swap nodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's that's so sexy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean I love that note so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm never going to use it because I'm a minion guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine how long that would take to plan for like, I can't even imagine trying to build that tree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would feel so lost and good luck respecting it ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you better make real sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like I would never be able to figure my trio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have an erection the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have one right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your skills would have to be so varying and different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't it, like, hold on, while you think about that, to tell me why I'm wrong, which I want you to, I gotta grab my water.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back, all right, tell me how you benefit from 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say it's 100, I don't even know if it's 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you, how are they not massively different in the way that you would use them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't, like, I can't think, I know there's people out there who do it, I just don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the tricky thing about weapon swapping

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're doing cold on one side and lightning on another, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, if you're using eight red nodes, you're, you need to use eight green nodes, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you only use six, you have two pending, right, that are doing nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Points that you can't use as your solid in that series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're trying to find something, and that's sure there's gonna be some people that are like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I'm fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I have the notes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want life goes on this great, but there's going to be a lot of people that are like, I got two nodes that I'm not using this is, you know, so that's that's the tricky part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so obviously the more nodes you get the trickier it is to match the puzzle on both sides.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, though, there's so many different ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that I could see myself playing like I could go C.I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I technically can't use keystones for it, but you could I could go like get 400% ES on one side and then do peer curses on the other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's your ES just dumps anytime you go to hear us though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: yeah so but you know like i'm i'm doing it for very different reasons right i'm doing one because uh let's say i find clearing difficult and there's too much shenanigans and all this kind of stuff and so i'm you know i want like further protection and stuff that i can handle but then or stuff that i can't see but then i'm in a boss bite

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[SPEAKER_01]: and that everything's more telegraphed and like okay well I don't need all this I'd rather have more damage and just have something a lot more static like you know in feeble you know nit okay now they're doing negative 30 percent on all their hits everything but dots as far as I know and people doesn't technically say but

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I'm doing that and then I can get elemental weakness on that and then, you know, I'm fine, duck it and dodging because everything's more telegraphed, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the other way around, maybe like I was fighting, you know, the dark Druid or whatever his name is, and act one, he's around like the gold, puddle, and he throws a big rock at you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a, an act one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's on the way to the cemetery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's the drew it underground with all the orange, who knows what kind of damage orange is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, no, we talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's one of the map bosses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he teleports, he can actually teleport off screen and the next skill he uses can be the stone that he throws at you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You actually can't see on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he can teleport off-screen and then off-screen you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if maybe you're thinking about that, then maybe you get all your path of Excel one mentality defense is going for your boss by and then something a little bit more casual for going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I could definitely see myself going in very different directions in that regard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what you could do is have

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[SPEAKER_00]: your red tree is all weapons all damage and then you you have your second tree which is just I don't even know how but you boost your defense in the most insane ways and then tie I don't think you can do this but weapons swap on roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anytime you dodge any time you hit B to roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You swap to weapons that too and you're super defensive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think it I just I think the brain has to think too much for something that has 100 Weapon swap in points because there are times where I'm like 24.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to especially because you earn them over time So it's not like you have them at the beginning to start planning with by the time you get 24 to play with you're into your tree a bit, which means to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you do get them one at a time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do realize that's not like you're just getting 24 at once, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's harder to use them as I'm progressing because when you have four, it's not super useful yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could start using them, but you're not getting much out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the time you do, then you're respecting and then you're having to plan out, okay, how much am I pulling back on my base tree?

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[SPEAKER_00]: To then do it, I just go, why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That thing just died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What am I doing here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's just keep moving on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually what happens for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't think about like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just need to clean it next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have to take it out of the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna take it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't somebody die in the middle of the video?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is going to cut from?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you bleeding too?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, just cut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I feel like I would get lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think about going ahead here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, just like you want a shapeshift.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you want to be a caster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, 24 nodes is not enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's not like how many clusters like do you know how few like hey, here's just an increase to armor nodes there are they're all coupled with something else all of them and so many of them are about shapeshifting so it's like you know, okay, I want to shapeshift shapeshift shapeshift and now not

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would be like with the restrictions they have with shape shifting, you know, being a dragon and all that kind of stuff and you have to use a talisman and it's too handed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But wasn't there something you can get it to where you can use the talisman and a shield, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure there's something in the, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just, I could, I could, hmm, I'd sit around for a day doing a hundred, hundred

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I would love to address some of the points on the tree didn't interest you because we've already talked about the fact that there's other ascendancies where you only like one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then what happens?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm worth it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I get to do so much more with my build, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it might actually make up for, okay, this one note interest me, which, you know, I've got to say, not working in favor of the game, but if you don't like ascending,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine taking a sentence for just one note and only doing it once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, maybe twice, like if your build feels powerful or strong enough or defensive enough, whatever it is that you're doing with it, you only need to ascend twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, be kind of cool, like they have a whole bot load of other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's nothing left for the witch to have all six of those, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's four more for the druid side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's bot loads more all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be pretty cool to see what they come up with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope there's some, like...

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[SPEAKER_01]: something that kind of touches on each, you know, like there's curses up top, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that'd be cool if there was like a curse one on the bottom of the tree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've a thought that's unrelated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll let you finish if you're the ascending.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you brought up the idea of how did it just vanish out of my brain?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You talk that brought it back into your mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, trying to, oh, I was just replaying what we just talked about and how I would have come to a good for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so remember what we were talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about the ascending process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned like, oh, I would just ascend once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got me thinking, I actually think that the first two ascendancies right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's doing second one once at the first one and trials of chaos as the second one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think probably the third one, once a third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, but take everything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take everything else out, just the first two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First one at Inak2, and you're doing Trial's of Chaos in Act 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that currently where is right now is actually in a decent spot where I can do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My build isn't overly affected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one run of Sechema.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Trial's of Chaos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're definitely greatly improved with this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That I think the first two ascensions,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't think they're in a terrible spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you ignore 3 and 4, just 1 and 2, 1 in level 2 and 2 at around 22ish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just to be clear, we're not talking fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just talking doable, right, not as difficult as they used to be and not required.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so it used to be really difficult without doing that first run of Sechema.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you didn't have some sort of honor resistance, it was tough to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's better now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get through it and it might not be fun, but you'll finish it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with Charles of Chaos, they definitely improved at this patch, yeah, to do it for the second time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was just thinking to myself, like, what if those were just the introductions to the trial of Chaos and Second Ma?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those were still things you could do with in the game, but you did your first two ascensions, not three and four through there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have to still come up with something different than three and four, but I feel like one and two are in a decent spot where that's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually not bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, when I think about ascending, I don't think of one and two as the bad ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of three as the first one to get annoying because now we're talking three levels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only way to do it right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's three floors of Sechema.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then four is crazy because it...

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[SPEAKER_00]: It requires so many things that don't rely on your build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think if you look at just one and two, I feel like they're in a pretty decent spot where if they could come up with a way like let's say this new total one that we know we're coming towards for the third ascension, was the same idea where it's an introduction to what total is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing you can do for other things later, game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the first run of it is your introduction to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to find a way to beat it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna be impossible at your level and early on in act four, whatever it is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're terrible for those first three ascensions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like there's maybe space where they could find something to fit that fourth one or maybe that I don't know what the fourth one would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest, unless it's just a really difficult version of all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they've gotten into a better spot with where the sentences are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if we don't like the process, I feel like they're all easily beatable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you with the exception of the bosses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you go through this no hit version of Sechema, and you come across this boss that Right away, unless you've done it before does three huge Explosions on a no hit run and how like there's nothing telegraph so you

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to get it back with the exception of RNG, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no, it's not flask based.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not defense based.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is in terms of your total, but not in terms of how it's recouped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a pure like the whole concept of Sacama is to not get hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is, especially on your first run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on your very first run, you come across the boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, okay, sweet, all of a sudden boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an ALU that you're not very well, but she does the ALT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but you still have no concept of what keeping your distances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like after you've done it, okay, I run, I run, I trigger the boss event, and then in some weird design fashion I'm supposed to run all the way back to the entrance again, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the first time you do it, you're wasting your time, you're standing there, you're like sweet boss battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I finally made it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there goes half of my honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a third one after your checkpoint screen shows up and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like so then you can go and do it all again and then troubleshoot like okay like do this and then I read like what you got to do it a few times until it's okay that to me that is that is a dumb introduction for your first fight after doing a no hit run and then also with the trial bosses

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have some massive mass of AOEs in those that are very long lasting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the worst is the one with the Twisters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, well, yes, but two of them have them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you couple that with some of the stuff that isn't your choice, you're just picking like along the way, some of those mods that get added to the boss right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those aren't your choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, you're given a multiple choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they all suck, you're like, okay, well, I don't even know which boss I'm getting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which one this is going to be for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the initial runs, like to me the bosses,

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[SPEAKER_01]: ruin the experience more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you were to like these things, these mechanics, the bosses to me are still outrageous for where you're at in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm, I'm active.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, okay, but act to that boss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to beat that boss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you talk about, yeah, you didn't know about the explosion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might have missed the first time, but you're going to beat it the next time you go into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a hard boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's annoying for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of telegraphing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot like all the stuff that falls from the ceiling coupled with the volcano stuff that's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can see his move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, saying it shouldn't take practice, but again, it's a no hit boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all I'm saying is like I agree with you, like they're in decent spots, it's not outrageous to expect the user to do it at some point, but I do find those boss battles are not coupled well with what the user has to go through to get there, the idea of what the user's needing to do to get there and where the user is at that state in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After you've played through it many times, yes, but I don't think that should be what the campaign is about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was labs though, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you did Azara, you didn't know something was stupid enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was stupid enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were giving him or not giving him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't know that till you had done it multiple times over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but then that fight was still a regular path of exalphite, whereas all I'm saying is, I think, like I agree with you, they're not outrageous in terms of difficulty, but they're not outrageous in terms of difficulty, including the boss fight, if you're experienced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the campaign, to me, is figuring things out, it's not a grind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You grind in maps, and the campaign is figuring things out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only reason you shouldn't do it is because you're really screwing up your build.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that... Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one and two, though, are a decent amount of grind if I compare them to like Lab and Pewey one, where I may die a few times as I'm learning it or figuring out how to get through it, especially talk about Pewey one as a new player trying to go through there and learning out traps, and then totally mechanics to a boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's decent because if you think of the first second, the one level, like just having to do level one, it does not take very long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if you're not doing well, you can redo it again to get to the boss relatively quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's probably the same amount of time, actually, to do the first lap, somewhere close to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they do a good job giving you unlimited uses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't radar in G to keep going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That first one you get, you can use an infinite amount of time for both the trials.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very, I really appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think that this last patch made the second one much better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the choices were better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They made it not feel as gross and awful as it could be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is still orange-yated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's still some things you could end up with poorly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the process to redo it is again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, it's in fact it's probably one of my favorites because I think it's only four Rightly you do three rooms and then the fourth one is the boss or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's not super long to redo it I just think after that the three and four is where you have a weird spot right now in Pathobex So and so I'm curious to see if if they can come out with Toda as that way for the third and then what you could have is the fourth ascension is just the harder version of each of those things

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you could pick the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily like, I know I'd probably still just pay for it because it's too annoying, but it'll probably a lot more refreshing even though I won't like any of the mechanics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a lot more refreshing once that third one comes out because then a user technically is going to be able to ascend their third ascension by the end of the campaign, which is equal to path 1 as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not like a care if it's equal to path 1, but it would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hear you and I think you know what though at the end of the day if somebody wanted to like going along with your idea What's wrong with if that is how the process is and that's the way the process is looking Why not let them do Secondma if they for some reason love Secondma for all four you know what I mean like why not add that extra bit instead of having the restriction there so I guess It's kind of is

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[SPEAKER_00]: what you're suggesting already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the current scenario of the third ascension is in the weirdest spot in Path of Exile of all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why there is a third ascension version of second, but not a third ascension version of the trial of chaos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like I just the trial of chaos one does and drop until maps like the one that will let you actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's that's got to change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's got to change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and now I'm actually probably wrong about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is do you know if on the trial of chaos?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you complete, so you know how the fourth one is to fight the trial master, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to go through the whole thing and then you fight the trial master?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I know that, I've done it one time by myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know if, if you take a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: A trial of chaos that drops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I have to drop in maps because the ones that drop in the rest of the campaign all say these ones won't give your points But if you just do the one set of the three bosses and don't have to do the trial master does that give you your third ascension.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what does it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got to do three, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but that's 12 No, no, no, no, 12 less three bosses

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the 12 maybe nine rooms sorry oh room so three plus one three plus one three plus one Yeah, but the thing that has just always confused me is that you'll get into act Like I don't know what always throw is me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a there's a thing a bear what's the thing call for the is a barrier Right over the thing that you get to into the Sekima there's one that will drop

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[SPEAKER_00]: while you're maybe at the end of the campaign like the axe or it's definitely before maps that says that this one can be used for your third ascension but the ones that dropped for the trial they drop and they don't I just don't it seems weird to me why are you they'll balance it out I'm sure but what do I even need it for I do people doing it for oh I guess you could do it for fun I guess I forget about people that want to do it in my brain I'm going why are they dropping these like if it's not going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's right, there's cycle path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's already a very convolutive game, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have all these different mechanics that you can do and choose and go between.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, in past one, they had a very different, they still have a, to me, a very difficult clunky time of trying to introduce all these different mechanics at different points throughout the campaign.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that you're not just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: overwhelmed and inundated by the time he hit maps with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd done it better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just remember when I posted it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's way better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing what's the thing for where you want to unlock the skill gems in Palaisau 1.

53:31.930 --> 53:35.172
[SPEAKER_00]: And you would go into the clear of the beach and all of a sudden it's like, oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a delirium and there's a freaking ritual and there's everything it was in one spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, but, but it's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just kind of the same with past two right now because you know more is coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: you have all these different things that you're adding and I don't think that they're doing a poor job with it but it's just it's it's it's a lot right so but you add that but when then you add different mechanics that are required for your build it just adds even more and more what do you mean like you mean this well you have to do trials of second one in the game you have to or well well yes

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you do, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so we're going to bring the trials of chaos and then, yes, it's sure technically you can pick one, but as a first time player, you're doing game the ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing quests as they come up, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So your first play through you're going through and so it's just so that player is naturally a new player is naturally going to learn what comes across their way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so already you're going to have three very different from the core experience mechanics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're adding all the stuff that just all of a sudden shows up in game like what what's this delirium mirror at you know What are these shards that I'm like running through and Breach and ritual and essence one thing that they have just a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool though With that is I think the way they intro it to the player and pewy too is pretty cool like and pewy one You didn't really there wasn't a huge intro to the lab except for you'd find these little weird rooms where you got to go and click a thing and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there wasn't much sense to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in Pewey, too, like, you're, I mean, told us probably the best example of it where you're literally are clearing a whole area, learning about all these different entities and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're walking into what will become the arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the intro to that one is really, is really quite cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Sechema is like, you're killing the boss lady and you're getting the, you know, the item from her and even in two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me explain, that doesn't mean trial is a chaos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get why when I go fight the chimera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it drop it like that's the only spot where I don't feel the connection between the two but it's at least there like you get it you got to go find the entrance but I think total is a really good intro to depends how they release it but yeah I think I think it does it depends like if it's one of those team selection things again where all of a sudden you show up but now it's like okay I've fought these people but I got to I got to select my players I got to select my team well I'm gonna be it

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing along the way has helped me learn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know these different things, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a might of seen a turtle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, all I'm trying to do, like, there's been nothing in the game up until that point, where it's like, you need to learn about these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you learn about them if they end up being difficult, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then all of a sudden, so I'm really curious how they're going to depending on even if that's even an option, which I assume it's going to be, how they start, how they teach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of nowhere, what these base types are and what benefit they are for you in combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, like remember, the whole thing with Tota eventually ended up being that the character wouldn't do almost anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was all just the team that you just had to live, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious what their intent is with this just out of curiosity stand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that they keep it out is where it's the same as second months, the same as trials, you don't learn anything about the actual process, you're just being introduced to this fact, this is where you want to go next.

57:07.431 --> 57:09.232
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to learn about the process inside of it.

57:09.332 --> 57:09.873
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind that.

57:10.013 --> 57:13.956
[SPEAKER_00]: In second month, you learn about what this new bar is.

57:14.056 --> 57:18.020
[SPEAKER_00]: I might not agree with it, but I do like the fact that here's, you're going to learn about it in total.

57:18.741 --> 57:19.381
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be the

57:22.609 --> 57:33.257
[SPEAKER_00]: Even back when total is in POE 1, the early version of it, you were still a part of the fight and you mattered and you needed to help your team win and that was a good introduction to what total was.

57:33.337 --> 57:44.605
[SPEAKER_00]: What total can become for a player later on, if somebody wants to spend the time and grind and do their thing for it, tended to be less of the player and more of the entities on the map.

57:44.905 --> 57:46.987
[SPEAKER_00]: My hope is that's not the first version, right?

57:47.007 --> 57:49.829
[SPEAKER_00]: That the first version is you learning about the roles and who they are,

57:52.662 --> 57:52.882
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

57:53.603 --> 57:54.184
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see.

57:55.124 --> 58:04.273
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine that's coming out with the release, that the third ascension is a vaginal full launch and you can't even ascend all the ways that they've advertised.

58:05.014 --> 58:07.697
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they have an abnormally... Yeah, an abnormally is there.

58:08.673 --> 58:10.093
[SPEAKER_01]: She's saying it's just as you're not welcome.

58:10.113 --> 58:17.015
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming in the meantime here you get this but it's she should have said this is part of the beta the early beta.

58:17.075 --> 58:20.036
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not ready yet for the full release.

58:20.596 --> 58:22.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't mind that kind of stuff when it's in the game.

58:22.817 --> 58:23.137
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's fine.

58:23.157 --> 58:23.917
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes you out of the moment.

58:23.957 --> 58:33.380
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the only thing that like even if I liked the ascension processes or the mechanics, I think the thing that bugs me about it is that.

58:34.660 --> 58:38.361
[SPEAKER_01]: When I want to play a game, I just want to sit down and play the game.

58:38.961 --> 58:48.464
[SPEAKER_01]: And if when I'm in the mood to play a game and not theorycraft, I'm finished my theorycrafting, I'm finished my learning, I'm finished my text walls, I just want to play.

58:49.304 --> 58:53.125
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm playing and then there's a new mechanic that shows up, I'm like,

58:54.045 --> 58:56.888
[SPEAKER_01]: even though I want to play, now I need to sit down and learn this.

58:57.108 --> 59:00.472
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't have to, so you don't know that going through the first time.

59:00.912 --> 59:03.935
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you start going again, I just want to play.

59:03.955 --> 59:07.198
[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, there's a completely different thing to the core experience.

59:07.218 --> 59:14.846
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, there's moods where you feel like going through tutorial, and figuring out something new or theory crafting.

59:14.866 --> 59:15.547
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's sometimes

59:16.047 --> 59:21.512
[SPEAKER_01]: where I want to play Path of Exile, but my character is not ready, and I'm not in a theory crafting mood so I turn on Age of Vampires instead.

59:21.712 --> 59:22.212
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

59:22.552 --> 59:33.241
[SPEAKER_01]: Or there's sometimes where, you know, I'm in a theory crafting mood, so, but I just want to play Gameplay, and so I'll play a game that allows me to do that in Game Like Path 2 as opposed to Path 1, right?

59:33.321 --> 59:37.124
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think the one thing that the current setup has is just it's

59:38.045 --> 59:41.827
[SPEAKER_01]: It requires the user to get out of what they're doing.

59:42.327 --> 59:45.729
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, like they can go through and start doing it, but it's a very big learning curve again.

59:46.309 --> 59:47.910
[SPEAKER_01]: And then again, and then again.

59:48.731 --> 59:54.834
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're just in the mood to just go out and do it, there isn't like to go out and actually just play the game.

59:55.494 --> 59:57.275
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like that hiccup, that roadblocks.

59:57.295 --> 01:00:01.197
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, I got to be in the mood for a tutorial to progress the core experience.

01:00:01.577 --> 01:00:03.639
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're a new player.

01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:05.261
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not like for us now.

01:00:05.281 --> 01:00:06.302
[SPEAKER_01]: We know what we're getting into.

01:00:06.322 --> 01:00:12.189
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just like, if you're designing your game to adhere to the first or second play through of a character, right?

01:00:12.690 --> 01:00:14.211
[SPEAKER_00]: So, two things for me.

01:00:14.391 --> 01:00:17.555
[SPEAKER_00]: One, I don't actually care about the new player experience.

01:00:17.635 --> 01:00:19.357
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's good that it's important to them.

01:00:20.538 --> 01:00:22.480
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm playing Path of Excel.

01:00:22.621 --> 01:00:27.366
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been playing Path of Excel for a long time, so how it affects a new player, I don't care.

01:00:27.626 --> 01:00:29.428
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I honestly really don't care.

01:00:29.468 --> 01:00:30.950
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not my, that's their job.

01:00:31.470 --> 01:00:32.792
[SPEAKER_00]: It has no bearing.

01:00:32.832 --> 01:00:36.996
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, something's not gonna change how I feel about the game because a new player might get confused.

01:00:37.637 --> 01:00:40.900
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that the first two, they do a pretty good job of,

01:00:41.779 --> 01:00:58.893
[SPEAKER_00]: you they they at least now I think they're in a good spot where even if you don't fully understand them you can go in them and they're going to take you in extra 15 to 20 minutes as long as you don't get really unlucky with something and you're going to be able to complete them on your character so like

01:01:00.107 --> 01:01:02.748
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't find them super bad or super out of the way.

01:01:03.048 --> 01:01:09.471
[SPEAKER_00]: They're also, you can come back to them at any point because it's not like if the travel through a zone to get to them.

01:01:09.591 --> 01:01:13.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Like once you get to them, you can just go right back into them, which I think is great.

01:01:13.873 --> 01:01:15.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know a little at Odex, we haven't seen.

01:01:15.894 --> 01:01:18.075
[SPEAKER_00]: I assume there will be good Lord.

01:01:18.095 --> 01:01:20.255
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't make you go through that whole path to it every time.

01:01:22.432 --> 01:01:24.213
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel that area is so monstrous.

01:01:24.674 --> 01:01:29.758
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's long and that's a one spot to where I always get nervous that I'm going to miss wherever and the valley's thing is for the five percent.

01:01:29.778 --> 01:01:31.219
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to go back and check this out.

01:01:31.259 --> 01:01:31.819
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost every time.

01:01:31.899 --> 01:01:32.920
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so bad.

01:01:33.060 --> 01:01:33.641
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so far.

01:01:33.741 --> 01:01:35.382
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even use them, I just run.

01:01:35.662 --> 01:01:37.764
[SPEAKER_00]: Because even if I see the checkpoint, I don't know.

01:01:38.104 --> 01:01:46.911
[SPEAKER_00]: They did fix the zone, no, where you got to fight the three for like the reservoir of the stats because those used to be worse where you could do a whole area and accidentally miss it.

01:01:47.331 --> 01:01:51.715
[SPEAKER_00]: They thankfully made it now, so those zones actually flow into each other so you shouldn't miss them.

01:01:52.595 --> 01:02:06.124
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I still though there was one playthrough I did recently where I didn't click on the totems because I just thought they Well, no, because you click on them and then it gives you something to use and then Then you just thought they were lore totems.

01:02:06.444 --> 01:02:09.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I ignored them because I didn't care Yeah, who needs to put that?

01:02:09.726 --> 01:02:14.329
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still showed up on my quest things so then I had to go through it all again and oh, yeah You'd have to do the whole zone.

01:02:14.369 --> 01:02:17.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they are good though at that where you can come back to them later

01:02:18.672 --> 01:02:19.893
[SPEAKER_00]: and do them at another time.

01:02:20.914 --> 01:02:31.883
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like the first, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they come up with a total and a decent spot where you can do it, in that act for range and not feel like it's just completely overwhelming.

01:02:32.922 --> 01:02:41.004
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they did, then I think it's in a pretty decent spot where you can get those three ascendancies pretty easily and your fourth one's going to be a chore, I think the fourth one.

01:02:42.124 --> 01:02:47.406
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't agree that the fourth one should be a chore, but I know that that's what they're going to do, and that's fine.

01:02:47.526 --> 01:02:49.586
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, they did that in the same thing.

01:02:49.666 --> 01:02:51.047
[SPEAKER_00]: And you had men.

01:02:51.387 --> 01:02:54.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Path of Exile 1 massively changed to hold your hand.

01:02:55.368 --> 01:02:57.188
[SPEAKER_00]: If you think about the progression of what

01:03:00.429 --> 01:03:05.251
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you have to find all six of the zones, which were completely orange.

01:03:05.271 --> 01:03:13.414
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember playing we would do our hard for leagues and people would be like, hey, is anybody need the Whatever they're called like circle of tree.

01:03:13.474 --> 01:03:14.434
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell them history.

01:03:14.594 --> 01:03:15.274
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.

01:03:15.294 --> 01:03:27.879
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember what they're called, but you had to get aren't you to find all six of them and then once you found all six of them, then you would have to hope that you didn't die when you went like so I

01:03:29.329 --> 01:03:39.836
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been, they've definitely switched up, trying to make it more newer player friendly, more, you know, person like us, who just doesn't have a ton of time to play.

01:03:40.157 --> 01:03:51.765
[SPEAKER_00]: So they've gotten better at understanding that the player base has shifted, and, you know, they're probably the bulk of their fans or probably around the same age as us and don't have as much time to be able to play the game.

01:03:51.885 --> 01:03:55.027
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they've been pretty good on the first three.

01:03:55.147 --> 01:03:58.009
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they don't get stupid with the fourth one, because I think right now I don't like it.

01:03:59.610 --> 01:04:15.599
[SPEAKER_01]: They also got to move on from us though, they keep holding our hand and soon the game is just going to turn into like wordle or something like that as we're in our 80s, so, yeah, no, I hear you, but yeah, yeah, I guess I just wish just, I like descending, but I hear you.

01:04:16.099 --> 01:04:19.301
[SPEAKER_00]: I like ascending because I like what I get out of the ascending.

01:04:19.401 --> 01:04:22.722
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the process, but that always existed for me in POE 1.

01:04:22.862 --> 01:04:27.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Even in POE 1, I hated through the campaign going like, God, I missed the stupid,

01:04:27.945 --> 01:04:30.987
[SPEAKER_00]: freaking thing in this zone and now I got to go find it.

01:04:32.407 --> 01:04:40.371
[SPEAKER_00]: So like there was always an annoyance to doing it, even in POE1, but the benefit and the value out of doing it, I felt like we're, they're obviously worthwhile.

01:04:40.731 --> 01:04:43.353
[SPEAKER_00]: And right now, I feel like one and two are in a really good spot for that.

01:04:43.493 --> 01:04:46.214
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first two ascensions are fair.

01:04:46.334 --> 01:04:48.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're easy enough for everybody to do them.

01:04:49.155 --> 01:04:51.316
[SPEAKER_00]: I think three and four just are in a weird spot right now.

01:04:52.257 --> 01:04:53.898
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe four is in the right spot.

01:04:54.737 --> 01:04:56.038
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's supposed to be hard.

01:04:58.139 --> 01:05:01.800
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that third one is just missing something and hope a photo does it.

01:05:02.601 --> 01:05:21.109
[SPEAKER_01]: If GGG insisted on keeping the three mechanics as your way of ascending, would you prefer a fourth way so that the fourth one's easy or would you prefer that someone has, it's like a big deal and you've really got it or in that fourth one.

01:05:22.178 --> 01:05:42.571
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I think I don't know that I would want a whole new mechanic introduced in maps like another mechanic that's just another thing to be because you have to remember to once total comes because we know it's coming that's three mechanics in the game that you can still interact with for benefit they all have your loot behind them like

01:05:43.151 --> 01:05:45.732
[SPEAKER_00]: There's reasons to do them if you want to afterwards.

01:05:46.892 --> 01:05:47.673
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we got enough.

01:05:48.193 --> 01:05:50.093
[SPEAKER_00]: They're already going to be bringing more that I don't need one.

01:05:50.614 --> 01:05:56.696
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that the fourth one currently my biggest problem with the fourth one is it's very difficult.

01:05:56.756 --> 01:06:00.817
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very time consuming and it's kind of it negates part of my build.

01:06:00.917 --> 01:06:06.059
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't feel like my build in all of those scenarios gets to be a star.

01:06:06.139 --> 01:06:08.380
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get to feel the benefit of my build in them.

01:06:09.020 --> 01:06:10.180
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so for sure.

01:06:10.340 --> 01:06:19.643
[SPEAKER_01]: I you know what actually would have been perfect for ascending is something very similar to the simulacrum It's just waves of enemies and then there's a boss and then waves of enemies.

01:06:19.703 --> 01:06:37.167
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean I don't like how the simulacrum works because I think some of the maps they choose for the simulacrum are really hard Frustrating and dumb small, but now that I mean again, that's path one that I'm referring to now You I mean they would change how that works because dodge roll needs to be a thing you actually need to be able to dodge roll somewhere

01:06:38.887 --> 01:06:51.830
[SPEAKER_01]: I think though having like waves upon waves of enemies, and then a boss is great for number one, and then it happens again, but there's like way more waves, and then a different boss for number two.

01:06:52.030 --> 01:07:02.293
[SPEAKER_01]: And then as soon as you reach certain spot in the campaign, it unlocks an area, then you get a new area with three times as many waves as the first one, and then a much more difficult boss.

01:07:02.913 --> 01:07:16.440
[SPEAKER_01]: In all those situations, you should be capable of clearing to the extent that the game expects you to at that point and have single target damage, and you're dealing with your own defenses and your own offense and the balance between for the entire thing.

01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:19.601
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it should just be waves and bosses for ascending.

01:07:20.301 --> 01:07:28.745
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wonder, I don't know if it's a stat that they track, or I'm sure there's some way for them to know it, but I wonder how many people have played

01:07:30.983 --> 01:07:47.879
[SPEAKER_00]: one and two that didn't know about the ascending, that that that played the game go and I made a witch and playing a witch, because even in Path of Exile 1, there's nothing that forces you in the end or tells you if you have not ascended and that you should ascend.

01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:48.479
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:49.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with Path of Exile 2.

01:07:50.301 --> 01:07:56.987
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how many players don't follow direction or understand instruction well enough to know that they need to be

01:07:58.346 --> 01:08:23.060
[SPEAKER_01]: a set is a quest as soon as you get your brai yeah there is a quest to use it um... so you have to ignore the quest in path to you would have to be ignoring the questing well you wouldn't know if it shows up as optional like i don't know the difference between the colors but i don't know if it shows up as optional or primary like a required i don't i don't know so

01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:32.905
[SPEAKER_00]: but you'd have to be ignoring, because you could miss fighting that boss lady and continue on and act to and not get the thing that's going to open up the the second one.

01:08:33.586 --> 01:08:38.908
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it stays on the map as something you should, like it's got the plus icon I'm sure by it.

01:08:40.269 --> 01:08:46.453
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder how many I want how many people in Path of Excel 1 and or Path of Excel 2, you know, get to maps.

01:08:47.333 --> 01:08:49.755
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it would be a small number, but I am curious how many

01:08:50.695 --> 01:08:53.137
[SPEAKER_01]: potentially actually go into your browser do that in past one.

01:08:53.437 --> 01:08:53.717
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:08:54.158 --> 01:08:54.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:54.418 --> 01:08:54.718
[SPEAKER_01]: Idiot.

01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.821
[SPEAKER_01]: That funny enough that chimera fight is the area.

01:08:58.841 --> 01:09:05.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Same area where we're looking for the trials of chaos, but there's a door at the end of that fight that is in the wrong place.

01:09:05.926 --> 01:09:07.887
[SPEAKER_01]: It is too far like it's

01:09:08.848 --> 01:09:14.250
[SPEAKER_01]: only accessible through the boss arena, but it's just that perfect distance away from the boss arena.

01:09:14.290 --> 01:09:20.913
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't use the whole boss arena, the door doesn't show up on your mini mat, like you actually have to go knowing the door is there.

01:09:21.713 --> 01:09:25.555
[SPEAKER_01]: Or because what's happened, why is it not blocking the entrance to the trial of chaos?

01:09:25.595 --> 01:09:26.575
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I don't understand.

01:09:26.615 --> 01:09:30.277
[SPEAKER_00]: If it drops the item, why is it not the thing, why isn't that the dread?

01:09:30.577 --> 01:09:30.957
[SPEAKER_00]: It's guard.

01:09:31.037 --> 01:09:48.636
[SPEAKER_01]: there's they're starting off with like having each bust that what's his name Holdren or whatever's name is and how are you or path one yeah it used to be there was a bust per per area and then now it's just all three in one area kind of like what's going on here yeah

01:09:50.548 --> 01:09:51.588
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it'll be fun to see.

01:09:51.608 --> 01:09:55.930
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're still gonna be a few weeks from even getting any information, but it'll be fun.

01:09:56.490 --> 01:10:00.852
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, GG put out a post saying, hey, one month to go.

01:10:01.372 --> 01:10:07.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Until I turned on, yeah, and then there was a few points in their post, and it said teasers.

01:10:08.194 --> 01:10:10.055
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so at least they're thinking it through.

01:10:10.195 --> 01:10:13.496
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they're holding on to as much as they possibly can to XOCon.

01:10:13.516 --> 01:10:17.357
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think we're not seeing 3.3.

01:10:19.485 --> 01:10:23.888
[SPEAKER_00]: We would have heard that, like, I can't see 3.3 coming before XLC on now.

01:10:24.608 --> 01:10:36.696
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're a month away and we've heard nothing about, like, a release time, save the date for the Twitch thing, like, nothing by October 9th, I don't think we're seeing 3.3 before XLC on.

01:10:37.875 --> 01:10:51.508
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but one thing that I'm reminding myself is it is exalcon, exal2con and so maybe there'll be an announcement or like a dropping them might think it's going to be that it's really right now.

01:10:52.709 --> 01:10:54.569
[SPEAKER_00]: Which would be really cool, but FYI.

01:10:54.870 --> 01:10:55.870
[SPEAKER_01]: It's path of XL1.

01:10:56.370 --> 01:10:58.230
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:10:58.270 --> 01:11:11.674
[SPEAKER_01]: But we already have our release date for path 2, so nobody's expecting that, like in terms of big news, any new release information, there's not going to be any disappointment in terms of it not being path 2.

01:11:11.714 --> 01:11:15.035
[SPEAKER_01]: We know when that is, and that was really smart to get that date out prior to...

01:11:17.898 --> 01:11:24.287
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want, like we do have to wrap this up, but they don't give us path of Excel 3.3 now in October.

01:11:24.948 --> 01:11:27.912
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're massively wasted in November.

01:11:27.973 --> 01:11:32.039
[SPEAKER_00]: November, this November is going to be a horrible time to release a game.

01:11:32.950 --> 01:11:34.211
[SPEAKER_00]: like why would you want to?

01:11:34.251 --> 01:11:41.514
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not give people a month before everybody shifts their game for at least two or three weeks?

01:11:42.094 --> 01:11:56.961
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it seems weird to me to not have 3.3 out before November seems weird and I feel like a November release of 3.3 cool, it might get played a little bit, but by the time some of the other big games drop their stuff, I think their numbers are going to be pretty cool.

01:11:57.941 --> 01:11:58.081
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:11:59.642 --> 01:12:06.664
[SPEAKER_01]: Releasing path one two months after path two's officially released Like that very first time.

01:12:06.684 --> 01:12:11.725
[SPEAKER_01]: That's tight window Because of all the fixes all the changes all the additions you're doing.

01:12:11.745 --> 01:12:13.805
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna hide to that.

01:12:13.825 --> 01:12:14.365
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:12:14.385 --> 01:12:20.167
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't do it November Was it March for path one lovers was it March?

01:12:21.067 --> 01:12:21.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

01:12:23.510 --> 01:12:25.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably it's possible.

01:12:25.311 --> 01:12:39.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just think like let Path of Exile one run for an extra month longer though Like you know what I mean people are not going to I know that there are a lot of people that love Path of Exile one and I'm with you I love Path of Exile one to one as well

01:12:40.537 --> 01:12:51.043
[SPEAKER_00]: But come January or December, when Path of Exile 2 comes out, it will just be the bigger played game between the two, like that, it will be.

01:12:51.583 --> 01:12:57.066
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't see them right off the bat being like, well, let's stick, let's do this guys.

01:12:57.166 --> 01:12:59.447
[SPEAKER_00]: Two on, two off, two on, two off, no way.

01:13:00.838 --> 01:13:04.801
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say, someone doesn't like path 2.

01:13:04.901 --> 01:13:07.563
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want them dropping into path 1?

01:13:07.803 --> 01:13:12.166
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's already in a 4 month old league, or do you want it to be in a 1 month old league?

01:13:12.186 --> 01:13:14.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you still want to give them something that they like?

01:13:14.968 --> 01:13:16.549
[SPEAKER_01]: If they're disappointed with path 2?

01:13:17.550 --> 01:13:22.932
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of want path one to be like, okay, here's something new that I didn't have from some time.

01:13:23.672 --> 01:13:30.374
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're on my honest opinion to that is I hope that's not even something that's crossing their mind because there's no expectation that people aren't going to love path two.

01:13:30.954 --> 01:13:33.995
[SPEAKER_00]: At least for enough time to play it for what it's normal value should be.

01:13:34.824 --> 01:13:44.287
[SPEAKER_00]: because if they're coming out with a path of Excel to release in December, whatever it's going to be, and there's even any conversation about like, well, at least if people don't like it, they can go play path one.

01:13:44.667 --> 01:13:46.507
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a big problem there, like that.

01:13:47.147 --> 01:13:47.847
[SPEAKER_00]: She'll like that.

01:13:48.568 --> 01:13:53.009
[SPEAKER_00]: I, my hope is that they don't even think like that because I want, I want path of Excel too to come out.

01:13:54.085 --> 01:13:58.467
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like PUE is never a forever game in its current state.

01:13:58.787 --> 01:14:02.309
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always evolving and changing, and it becomes your forever game.

01:14:03.490 --> 01:14:07.852
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to explain it well, but you don't play it at least most people.

01:14:08.372 --> 01:14:10.593
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't play it only all the time.

01:14:11.234 --> 01:14:15.216
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my hope is that the PUE 2 thing can do what it does like PUE.

01:14:16.156 --> 01:14:26.827
[SPEAKER_00]: Grab you suck you in, let you play a bunch, and then you go play something else for a bit, and then they have the benefit of having POE1 and 2 being able to bounce back But how could they come out with another POE1 league?

01:14:27.308 --> 01:14:37.759
[SPEAKER_00]: Shortly after POE2's full release, when we know the POE2's to us so much development that has happened still for it Yeah, and now you're free to play fully release game, so yeah

01:14:38.940 --> 01:14:57.814
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you send even if past two actually does come out with everything and it is a full release according to my definition of a full release look at how much new stuff is going to be in the game right there's always something new that has to be best whether it's new and all at once or new and incremental it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: gonna be busy for a long time.

01:15:01.136 --> 01:15:02.597
[SPEAKER_00]: Exciting times, it'll be fun to see.

01:15:03.098 --> 01:15:04.138
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I got got to go to the bathroom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three weeks away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three weeks away to Axel Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is forever XL.

01:15:10.683 --> 01:15:11.044
[SPEAKER_00]: 365.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just Naked Tags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler, record of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrons will catch you and after dark everybody else we'll see you next week in 366.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a website forever XL.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: World.