ExileCon 2026 Recap!

0:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Forever Exile, I'm Justin A. K. Tags, and I'm Tyler Recker of Days. [SPEAKER_01]: This is Episodes. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't remember. [SPEAKER_01]: 369 of Forever Exile, and this is a special one. [SPEAKER_01]: We're late coming out, and this will be coming out literally as soon as we finish up today, but this is a special one because Mr. Recker of Days is hanging out in New Zealand. [SPEAKER_01]: So 369 Forever Exile, it's coming out whenever it comes out, and thanks everybody for hanging out with us. [SPEAKER_01]: Big show to our patrons real quick, Patron gets to access after Dark's our podcast after the podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we'll have it this week or next week, but after Dark is our extra podcast, and we appreciate the support. [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, everybody, who's resubbed up. [SPEAKER_01]: Ty, you're a New Zealand guy.

0:41 [SPEAKER_01]: This is fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it is pretty fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Very pretty. [SPEAKER_02]: No trees. [SPEAKER_02]: These are very special New Zealand trees. [SPEAKER_02]: They grew them just for me. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: They're just outside. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: And what's really fun about this is, we're so used to kind of protecting our location or the things that we're doing, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just kind of fun to be like. [SPEAKER_02]: Look at my house. [SPEAKER_02]: Stay over this, the sweet bell, sweet, or like yeah, I'm just walking down Victoria to Victoria Park and it's pretty fun. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we have a really nice park just out front. [SPEAKER_02]: And I spent so, I could talk for hours today because like we're doing about 20 minutes too. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know what you're talking about. [SPEAKER_02]: But, um...

1:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been good because things actually, after the hell of almost not being able to make the trip, we, yeah, it's crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything's worked out because of it's been really good. [SPEAKER_01]: I know you said that once you've left things like that, it was going to, but we didn't talk about the rest of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well tell me, but like your week, are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: But why weeks, fine, man. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a normal week, I work. [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't need to talk too much about that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been a good week, so you didn't go to New Zealand. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't go to New Zealand. [SPEAKER_01]: I almost missed the keynote, and then I was really angry because I like... [SPEAKER_01]: was a bit rude leaving a meeting on what they was at first day or whatever whatever day it was here that the news fraud I can't remember and I was mad I was like guys I told you I'm leaving [SPEAKER_01]: and they kept pitching new stuff and talking about new things.

2:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I lay it left, and then I got home, I think it was at Surnet 130, and I'm like, countdown, starting, countdowns, Kurt. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was saying, it's like a pre-game. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not me. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize it. [SPEAKER_01]: But then it gave me time to at least deal with some stuff before it started. [SPEAKER_01]: But I did feel like I'm saying it. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, that's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: That's good. [SPEAKER_01]: I only got to watch the keynote. [SPEAKER_01]: I have read a lot more, but I haven't been able to watch any of their, [SPEAKER_01]: like other content that they put out. [SPEAKER_01]: I only did get to watch the keynote live. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to be. [SPEAKER_02]: I know that was actually the big big. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously, it's keynote, but there wasn't really anything else.

2:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just close enough. [SPEAKER_02]: Finicky details. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you didn't really miss anything if all you saw was the keynote. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, thankfully I've caught up in people in discord of help because they did like interviews and stuff and a lot of stuff obviously came out of those things as well, which is great. [SPEAKER_01]: So I've had a chance to, you know, stuff that they didn't cover in the keynote. [SPEAKER_01]: Because the keynote was so, I mean, it's two hours. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so big. [SPEAKER_01]: But there were so many things that they still didn't cover through it that, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's really crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: So how is the trip the house get out there? [SPEAKER_01]: So we had also sweet sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for that. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

3:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful. [SPEAKER_02]: It is. [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people because it doesn't say podcast on it, a lot of people that don't, like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to audio podcasts. [SPEAKER_02]: They just thought that it was like really clever wording for a super fan. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I am going to be forever exiled, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So I got tons of compliments on the merch. [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: And there was somebody that was like, [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, like you are creative. [SPEAKER_02]: That is crazy what you made right like just like it's like a designed it You know in a world before AI and So but it was cool and I ran into that individual like 80 times every time it's like man so at the end I'm like a Like I let I let them go with it, but then after like I saw him on to like almost the very end it was like dude Hey, I got to be honest.

4:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't design it [SPEAKER_02]: and be. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a logo. [SPEAKER_02]: You think I've not even like a super bad thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, but no, so we had to mix up with one of the passports. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and the name didn't match exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And we discovered that less than 48 hours before the flight. [SPEAKER_02]: And we booked through Expedia. [SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: So, and then we were flying with Fiji Airlines. [SPEAKER_02]: We went from Vancouver to Fiji in Fiji to Auckland and... [SPEAKER_02]: So for the 36 hours before the flight all I'm doing like there's like I was planning ahead every I like to say eyes were crossed and teas were dotted but like it was all done and it was ready and I was like this is nice the only thing I have to worry about is stuff that I've done a hundred times I know it's done and and then all of a sudden this and it's like that's all I do.

5:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you realize 36 hours that something and you were like oh wait a minute there's a problem here [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron brought it to my attention at an orange. [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, Hey, you want to and I'm like, Oh, you got to kidding me. [SPEAKER_01]: No way. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: And so we were panicking with that. [SPEAKER_02]: There was a chance that my wife wasn't even going to come on the trip because of how it was going. [SPEAKER_02]: But eventually the expedient and feed you because when you don't look directly with the airline, which is always suggested. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to go through your travel agent, Expedia, TripAdvisor, all that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: They're all travel agents, so you gotta go talk to them, and then they gotta talk to them, and then they gotta talk to this and back and forth. [SPEAKER_02]: So the change ended up happening, but we went to the airport, not knowing for sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

5:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was looking up prices for like, okay, well, what is it cost to do the exact same flat and same flight number and like we booked in May. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and a phenomenal deal. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was five hundred bucks cheaper ticket for everything. [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just a one stop. [SPEAKER_02]: I had to do research like for three hours at that moment. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, this 500 like everything else is like, [SPEAKER_02]: direct for twice as much or two or three stops for $500 more. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, okay, Fiji Airlines is doing a one stop for 500 bucks less than everyone. [SPEAKER_02]: So I had to double check. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't mean this in a rude way, but I'm like, [SPEAKER_02]: is PG Airlines legit like sure is that just like somebody trying to make of like uh you know i don't know i don't know what you're so i'm like but i'm doing like all the research that i can i'm like why do why is this five hundred dollars cheaper why is this so actually learned a lot about the airline industry in the meantime but it ended up being legit they just need the space and then it's [SPEAKER_02]: like there wasn't one seat left on tire flame so whatever deal that was everybody jumped on some cloud i booked in may but so yeah we're on the way to uh... Vancouver international airport and we don't even know if my wife's gonna be able to come on the awful what a stressful dry it was right yet now i had like six hours before hand [SPEAKER_02]: Confirmation like yes, the name changes going through it, but in the Expedia app it wasn't changed right on the ticket on Fuji Airlines.

7:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't changed So we go to the checking counter And we're like yeah, like my underwear's never been so wet front and back and then all of a sudden [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've did not like that reference on the side there, I'm sorry that's right. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, her under were not mine. [SPEAKER_02]: I was totally fine. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it was, um, and then we go to the check and counters. [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I was almost like, no, I almost needed there to be something dramatic for it to be worth all the effort that we had, but then even on the way, [SPEAKER_02]: So I've been using lift around town instead of Uber, which to me, there's no difference.

8:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They're all the same drive. [SPEAKER_02]: They're all of the same stickers, but it's like $3 cheaper trip. [SPEAKER_02]: So I've been using it. [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, I book on these. [SPEAKER_02]: We left on Tuesday, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: So I booked on Saturday night. [SPEAKER_02]: And because we don't like, we just BC just change their time zone thing. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't change time zones by. [SPEAKER_02]: Love you guys. [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate it. [SPEAKER_02]: when they, I didn't pay attention when the time zone would be. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think it would matter. [SPEAKER_02]: I figured everybody can handle it. [SPEAKER_02]: So I booked Saturday evening and it was Saturday night when the time changed for the fact that, oh, right. [SPEAKER_01]: So we were getting picked up at 2 p.m. For 10 30 flight, like, mostly late. [SPEAKER_02]: But I wanted to make sure, like, it's rush hour.

8:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't deal traffic sucks. [SPEAKER_02]: So we're doing 2 p.m. [SPEAKER_02]: at and we're like five minutes to 2 p.m. or outside everybody's packed everybody's waiting everybody's stoked I don't even have a confirmation that the drivers on the way yet and I'm like what's going on at 2 p.m. it says your driver's going to be there in an hour [SPEAKER_02]: at 2 p.m. PST, which does not exist in our time zone anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: Like we don't do PST anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like lift didn't actually do like they don't even have an automated system that connects to something. [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were actually in our late. [SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: So then we leave it at 3 p.m. We just let the kids we just played.

9:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I didn't like you were going to be fine. [SPEAKER_02]: It was just being a bit [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm the kind of person where I'm thinking, okay, we have the guaranteed one now for three o'clock, even though it's a we're all super pissed because you know, we've all the hype and excitement of going on a trip. [SPEAKER_02]: And then, but I'm like, well, it's why VR, like, who's gonna say yes to that? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: They'd probably make more money doing three trips in the meantime and you know like 10 trips in the meantime around town So I'm like what if we what if nobody picks it up now? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure somebody has to pick it up But I don't know the rules because I don't do it often. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm normally on the bus so we just kept it But there were two acts and then so took us two and a half hours wolf For it from three PM so all of a sudden we're leaving 20,000 hours early for the flight and we get there like half an hour before we're supposed to check in But that was stressful too [SPEAKER_02]: and I am actually really glad we ended up staying with the person that we originally were booked with because they only do YBR trips.

10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said no matter what the GPS says, I've weighed the street in the street in the street in the street because it's one stop. [SPEAKER_02]: They have like a, it's just a stop sign at that one. [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a guided left turn and all that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: And so he's like, even though Google says, you can go here, it's only good for 10 minutes, and then it's backed up way further. [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's no escape, you know, like he's thinking [SPEAKER_02]: I, maybe we would have even missed our flight if we didn't actually stick. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's all me nice job. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's yes, of course, but then no joke once the once we checked in, um, it was, like, so unfortunately that two two out of four TVs on Fiji Airlines didn't work.

11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like the ones like get your seat. [SPEAKER_02]: But before she realized that, he'd already watched the full Superman movie with just some times. [SPEAKER_02]: The TV didn't work sort of like his audio or what, but just audio. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So, but as I'm trying to fall asleep, I had some buddy next me super nice, but definitely a storyteller, a well versed storyteller, so I didn't get much sleep. [SPEAKER_01]: Very kind. [SPEAKER_01]: Plus your talk at a very, you're too nice.

11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I have the privilege of having a screwed up next. [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't like turn all the time. [SPEAKER_02]: So I am like, hmm, like I'm not really facing, but it didn't change that bug language and change anything. [SPEAKER_02]: But I watched like the same show three times, a really cool Indian court drama, but three times on different people's screens with subtitles. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have anything to watch, and then I fell asleep, but it was smooth. [SPEAKER_02]: So, Fiji Airlines connects into like Fiji International, it's small, man. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is it? [SPEAKER_02]: And there was like a hundred flights going out of it. [SPEAKER_02]: There's not even wings. [SPEAKER_02]: There's like, it's like a big food court, which with not a lot of food court options.

12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like 200, 300 seats, and then like three gates. [SPEAKER_02]: How long were you in Fiji? [SPEAKER_02]: Four hours. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like, [SPEAKER_02]: Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was the size of a bar, it was crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: So the habit was awesome, we arrived, we got here, and everything else worked great. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was really nervous about the, we decided to go with more of an apartment hotel and then save money on grocery shopping and laundry and only pack like three days of clothes kind of thing for two weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was kind of nervous about that.

13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Just in case, you bring less to minimize, but then you show up and it's just trash, but it's actually really nice. [SPEAKER_02]: because I booked in May, and it's November now, I'm like, man, did I think of this? [SPEAKER_00]: Did I think of that? [SPEAKER_02]: And, but it ended up being perfect. [SPEAKER_02]: This is in the exact location. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm happy with what past self did. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good job past Tyler. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're also like, just about to start your family side of the trip now, too, which is how that's going to be fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: When do you guys go transition point right now? [SPEAKER_02]: Which is the only thing that's not checked off. [SPEAKER_02]: They said that they'll get a hold of us with in 24 hours of the trip And it's 9 a.m now or 9 30 minutes confirm.

13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't Yeah, and where we're getting picked up and they're like if we haven't messaged you by 430 the day before. [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know I'm like that's a comforting Just pick a spot That's funny. [SPEAKER_02]: So but it's been really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: My family was awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: I said like I want the Friday Saturday Sunday [SPEAKER_02]: Just like just to be peer-peer we like plant do whatever you want Don't expect me around like if I show up cool. [SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome to see you, but then I'm taking off So I literally only saw my family in the mornings and then They were already every night. [SPEAKER_01]: They were asleep when I came in so just that is really cool though They'd be a saw them in the morning that they're cool with it that like kudos on them that's so fun But it's a really cool that my chance to just do your thing for three days like that's fun.

14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah [SPEAKER_02]: And then I told all the people that I'd be hanging out with and chatting, I'm like, yeah, now it's just for this. [SPEAKER_02]: And then like when I was saying goodbye to people yesterday, it was all just, like, at no family time starts now. [SPEAKER_02]: So you're out there, and it's nice. [SPEAKER_02]: It was really cool to just be able to just focus guilt free on the entire convention and the people there in the community. [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's now that's done. [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's all just family for a week and a half. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so thank it's been really really really fun. [SPEAKER_01]: That's good. [SPEAKER_01]: I have kids here. [SPEAKER_01]: So if it's loud I was gonna ask you though like kids here. [SPEAKER_01]: What time is it? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a 130 on a Sunday.

15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's Sunday. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even watched the race yet. [SPEAKER_01]: I have ignored the race purpose. [SPEAKER_02]: I intentionally looked it up. [SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_02]: You might like, well, I'm okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for telling me because I know I know what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, please don't say anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I have ignored my phone all day long because I don't want to know. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so I'll be watching it after I get this episode of um, but if you could like just what overall what what was your thoughts on the convention like we're going to dig deep into it. [SPEAKER_02]: But like just like art so so for me as an attendee, there's there's two parts of the convention.

16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, both were amazing, but to me, [SPEAKER_02]: the news wasn't I'm not one of those hype guys I guess you could say like I'm not running out for signatures or anything like that like I love it it would have been really cool to meet the founders which I didn't get a chance to do but I like this event was amazing because of community and the person that donated the trip to my family which I'm still like [SPEAKER_02]: when you're at our age you don't really like if somebody wants to do that for you you're just humbled but it's not like you can argue with them about it's like they know what that money can do for themselves and why they thought of me and my family instead of someone else or this or that is just like it's just purely humbling and so the trip was just extra I guess subdued but in a good way because like it's never going to be able to happen again [SPEAKER_02]: It was there because somebody just loved and thought of myself, my family, and it was just really cool to experience it with like [SPEAKER_02]: without sacrificing anything.

17:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, it's not like it's our money and we're not going to get replaced the windows and ours for the next 10 years because of it. [SPEAKER_02]: Like we didn't actually sacrifice anything to be here. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a pure gift and so to be able to experience it was really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: But one thing that they said, which it really did resonate with maybe because you and I, just like anybody else, we can make fun of the community that were a part of and make fun of ourselves. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, that's not like a judgment thing, but make fun of the community for [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, we do our reddit voice all the time on the podcast, but the individual says, like, hey, now I can see what the community is actually really like, because it's not reddit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It's so true. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: And there wasn't one prick.

17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: No, except for one person, there wasn't like everybody was really happy to talk to anybody. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not just talking, like employees were excited. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you, you [SPEAKER_02]: could not talk to them too long, kind of thing. [SPEAKER_02]: They were always happy to continue the conversation if we got interrupted. [SPEAKER_02]: Other people, whether they were like the most socially awkward person on the planet or the most like ridiculously overtuned socially social person on the planet, [SPEAKER_02]: everybody was happy that you came up to them or, you know, if I had like a stand face on and didn't realize that someone comes up to me, just want to make sure that I'm feeling cool and included, like, I saw that all over the place it was really neat.

18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So one of my favorite things that I did was I was just chilling for like 20, 30 minutes, like on one of the stairwells that curls around. [SPEAKER_02]: and I was just watching people like a creep but it was great because like some people are booking it to do the the they're sweating like crazy trying to get this card game done other people are like confused and panicky there's some people flirting some people like trying to avoid people because they're kind of like tired of it for a moment it was just a lot of fun to watch but like no joke everybody just loved everybody yeah and so that was that was nice and it was good like the the person said to me they were like [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is what the real POV communities like. [SPEAKER_02]: It's true. [SPEAKER_02]: And so that, well, it was nice, yeah, because you can really get especially as we start getting into league launches, you know, the hype's there.

19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and we'll talk all about that today, but then once the hype turns into reality. [SPEAKER_02]: then people like this is built this is do what you do isn't that then you know then it kind of gets back of things so it's really nice to have that as like a new set or new baseline and makes it a lot easier to ignore all the other fluff right yeah so that's that was probably my my my the community part was my favorite part. [SPEAKER_02]: Just the people. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the environment is so fun. [SPEAKER_01]: The vibe is cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you've got I remember when I went and we didn't even have this at the time You're just around a bunch of people who love the game and don't care what part you want to talk about. [SPEAKER_01]: They're happy to talk about it And then it's cool to like you're in a room full of people who are super pumped and so then their excitement is you're watching it.

20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Also helps everybody else's excitement because you know, there's just fun So yeah, really it is [SPEAKER_02]: The only dangerous thing with this event is alcohol, because, I mean, alcohol is all called, but you get somebody. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you mean, like, outside the event stuff? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because I know there's like meetups and then they had an after party yesterday too. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where it was available, but there was a lot of like meeting up at bars and stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that. [SPEAKER_02]: And when you get somebody that's had too much alcohol, talking about game mechanics, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I already talked to a buddy once a week on game mechanics. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay, but it was funny because like everybody that would be discovering the podcast because of talking like I actually didn't try it.

20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like promo as soon as I went there with this kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, [SPEAKER_02]: Nope, we shouldn't. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I felt like it was so pushy and stupid, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was actually opening, like, like, if people know, and they're like fans of the podcast would be cool to meet up, and then, like, that's, that's nice, but as soon as I was there, I'm like, oh man, I hope nobody, like, sees this as self-promote or anything like that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I saw. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that you thankfully have everything documented with all the photos in in discord. [SPEAKER_01]: So thanks for that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm being super sarcastic for anyone listening or watching because there's not a single photo from the event. [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't believe I met up with more people than I expected from the podcast itself.

21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing, I just picture of the event. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like where you were seated. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I happened to notice I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: There were like pictures of the statues all around. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I literally, I used Reddit to see what was at the event because when I went to Discord, I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a single picture right over him so before we go to the museum today I'll post my pictures I love I think it was a manway was like you guys had one job like one job just Yeah, but very true manway, but yeah, no, I legit didn't take too many pictures [SPEAKER_02]: I'm and it not not in a bad way like it just it like I wish I took more, but I didn't even think of it So like I'm enjoying it Conversation bumps into conversation then all of a sudden this person's interrupting this conversation to say hi, and then this person like it was all fun and good, but I was laughing about it with Christina this morning.

22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like that's the thing though when you have a bunch of guys in their 30s and 40s and 50s Like but they're probably not thinking like we that's that the picture of the group like just doesn't come up so [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't, and there was a few times where we'd all be at like a, there'd be sometimes we had, you know, more people from the community than not, sometimes it just wasn't one on one, it was a bunch of us and [SPEAKER_02]: Nope, just hanging. [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't even cross our minds like, what am I going to eat today? [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you make sure you save the table because it's crazy busy or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you go and you talk and then I was going to ask you about this because I remember it myself going for the first one, but we talked about the vibe, but the, I think one of my favorite parts was when you sit outside and like your people watching, but especially as you're getting towards it, you just, the, the music's playing.

23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole, it's cool to me when you have this huge space that is just playing Path of Exile music as you're looking at all of the sound of Excel stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking with Camila. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, all I see is your music right now. [SPEAKER_01]: In the keynote and in the videos, like, it's just incredible. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the music is so, so good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So, it is. [SPEAKER_02]: It was. [SPEAKER_02]: And the day one, it was really good day two. [SPEAKER_02]: They screwed it up. [SPEAKER_02]: And there was this weird. [SPEAKER_02]: like crap. [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't music coming through the, oh really, the PA system. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it sounded like it was broken static and nobody fixed it for the entire convention. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's super bad for the whole day, too. [SPEAKER_02]: But day one was, I mean, if you were to pick a day, if like for some reason it was one of those screw ups, or it's like, oh, shoot, we can't fix it.

24:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Pick your favorite day. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It was the keynote day that they nailed it. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was really good. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the music was phenomenal. [SPEAKER_02]: And it was really nice because one goal that I had was to, and I didn't get to talk to everybody, but everybody that we've had on the podcast, or had hoped to have on the podcast, I wanted to go up and just be like, hey, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's nice to see people face to face, right? [SPEAKER_02]: It was the only promo. [SPEAKER_02]: It was just to be nice, like, like, Hey, so yeah, I walked up to, like, I didn't get to see Octavian, but we've had them on a few times. [SPEAKER_02]: So that was okay, but he's, he's now, like, in charge of path one. [SPEAKER_02]: So he was one of the big bosses for the card game. [SPEAKER_02]: So every time I saw him, he just had it line up a 50 people.

24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I saw a few people that we've had on the show or wanted to have on a show when we're talking to at the time and just say like, hey, yeah, if not this. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice to see you actually in person. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really cool fun. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, but they all appreciated that. [SPEAKER_02]: Like none of them thought that it was like cheesy like self promo. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, remember me come back on the podcast like nobody nobody took like that, which I'm glad because that wasn't the intent and. [SPEAKER_02]: There was nice and not so I was able to run into Camille a few times and that was, that was really nice to talk about it because, you know, like we joked about with him on the first time that we had him on it was, oh, we had him the one time right the second time was the repeat, but he, um, it was like he's got that job that.

25:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't cut down or criticize the music's always that good and if you have enough the music sounds Like batter glitchy in the game. [SPEAKER_02]: That's nice fault. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like you created an amazing track that sounds perfect And he really matches theme so amazingly well that it always sounds perfectly in place when the music's there And they do a really good job in permitting in the game. [SPEAKER_02]: So just one of those things were it's like he's got that job that I The only job in the company where he [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean like it. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: He's the safest job in the in the company It's so it's pretty fun to talk to them and what say it's because he's so good But the 100% the thing that's interesting is like if you because a lot of times I know people have said to me like I don't sometimes Don't even notice the music and that's true.

26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how you know. [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually good because if you rewatch the key you know any time [SPEAKER_01]: that the music faded out or they didn't have music playing properly, it's so noticeable. [SPEAKER_01]: When all of a sudden you're hearing as a human speak, though, as a human speak, and then the music kicks back and you're like, oh wow, that's what I was missing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's up? [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're internet just went crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: The gear screen knows your internet went crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess that it's probably yours, [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious what it'll be like when we're all done. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's get into it then hopefully. [SPEAKER_01]: Can you know, yeah, let's, you know, main, main stuff.

26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know, just so we don't sound hypocritical at the beginning of all this with all the hype, you know, I was pretty focused on the terminology they used for the reveal full release, right? [SPEAKER_02]: All that kind of stuff and you and I were joking around about. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, it'd be like a pretty big fail of a news convention if they only released the classes and base types that they previously announced prior to the convention hoping that that would not be the case, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It ended up being the case, but also to be like still not. [SPEAKER_02]: No, they announced that at a time. [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't, though, they gave us that tiny little teaser.

27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so funny. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I just want to bring this up because we talked about this last week. [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a dagger. [SPEAKER_02]: I have good, like this is my blind point is, is positive. [SPEAKER_02]: My point is positive. [SPEAKER_02]: So just in case we don't get back to my point for five minutes here. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't, anybody listening think that I'm like complaining because I have something good to say. [SPEAKER_01]: I think all I was going to say is the yes that they had a dagger which we didn't know for sure was a dagger and came the smoke or whatever came out and then someone was like you guys are done even watching it they said shadow I'm like okay but they didn't say a shot the clash I need them to tell me that the shadow is coming for me to know that the shadow is coming. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I'm like, oh, yeah, I sure I might have seen what look like a dagger and smoke and maybe they set the word shadow But still it was fun to guess, but for me that was exciting to at least know that they were doing both of them Yeah, once they did it So when like I think the entire room was kind of hoping for what I was hoping for you know I mean like you case you even now sees one slash two yeah classes [SPEAKER_02]: And then so Jonathan's going through and at the very beginning, he's like, we're doing this and then we're going to do this.

28:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we're going to talk about the new class and we're like, and everything was just like, we was like, one of those like, the murmur stopped and it was just really awkward and quiet because it wasn't like, more classes than it was expected, but, but so despite that, it everything else that they announced and just for path to little [SPEAKER_02]: path one, which is crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Our arguably bigger news. [SPEAKER_02]: What they did for path one or sorry for path two is so much that even someone like me that was like it's not going to be good if it's not all a class is not going to be good if it's not all this.

29:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was my unintentional hope or attitude [SPEAKER_02]: despite that that didn't happen everything else that they announced really in a way made up for it. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like what they announced was a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: And you can kind of see like okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So they skipped the league and they did this and their early access schedule was all over the place. [SPEAKER_02]: But then when you see everything that they were working on, you're like okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I get why they didn't have all the classes. [SPEAKER_02]: I get why they don't have all the base types. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, all this extra stuff just takes so much time, but like, that stuff's worth it, you know what I mean?

30:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, imagine coming up with all the classes and still not having another balance pass. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think too when you watch the two video or when you watch in the keynote for the two that do list in the shadow, the one thing that is always cool about Pathofexile, I need to be a thing with any ARPG as the classes have to feel massively different from each other. [SPEAKER_01]: And when you watch, [SPEAKER_01]: the two classes like they just are so different and so you can start to go like, okay, I want them to come out with a Templar that actually just is amazing. [SPEAKER_01]: So if that takes longer to figure out, I would rather them take that longer time to figure out because these two classes they came out with both were nuts. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to be honest, the shadow.

30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: for myself was a bit, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure yet. [SPEAKER_01]: The concept behind it was really cool, but it just seemed very flashy. [SPEAKER_01]: It seemed very combo moves and stuff, so I'm curious how that's actually going. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get a chance to play? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever go and play? [SPEAKER_02]: So, playing, actually, didn't interest me just in terms of my own interest, because when it comes out, it'll come out and I'm like, I'm going to be playing the game forever. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, [SPEAKER_02]: to just to see what the square, like what the definition of the restrictions, like I just want to see what the menu, I didn't even play it because that's in the essence of the ticket, right? [SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the choices in the essence. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's in the essence of the skill.

31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then I loaded it up and I wanted to see what all the definition was. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a minion. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a reviving minion. [SPEAKER_02]: It's limited to like melee attack, martial weapon skills. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: It can't have a talisman. [SPEAKER_02]: Like there was some cool limitations to it so that, you know, as a night of the empire, your squire can't like be shooting dragon balls. [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: Like how funny would that be? [SPEAKER_02]: You were like, you're the knight, and you're like, oh, yeah, and then your squires like, fire, fire, or fire, or fire, or fire, or battlefields dead before you even get there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so, or like this magic wheeling arc of light, you know, that's not what a squire is.

32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So how cool are those textures [SPEAKER_02]: Providing it skills like I just think that it's so cool got the second as far as I know so you remember in Path of Excel The the the convention you went to the first one that the game's not like this anymore, but they originally had that Metagym and then they socket it differently or is it to it turn on and then they hit one button All the or is turned on yeah, and the whole room is like that got like the biggest year right that was like that was the big news despite the fact that P we knew is being it so so that with the [SPEAKER_02]: when they came out with, they showed the menu for the squire where you could do stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're just because of the concept of animate guardian.

33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even though, and that didn't really come out, people that have been playing for 15 years know like, but they came out right away with it, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So that got a monstrous cheer. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we might jump around a little bit while we're talking about this. [SPEAKER_01]: But for me watching the keynote, I couldn't believe how much they glassed over [SPEAKER_01]: the death counter, like the death recap. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think Mark was meant to die. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he was meant to die. [SPEAKER_01]: There he wasn't. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was meant to win the one that actually kind of like wiggles the mouse around to show you that there's one and then goes into it and then I just think it was hilarious because Jonathan's like, oh yeah, there's a death recap now. [SPEAKER_01]: Onward and like just moves on to another thing.

33:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Literally the only time they talked about it, Q&A is all that kind of thing. [SPEAKER_02]: They must have talked about it. [SPEAKER_02]: And interview your Q&A is something. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, barely a little bit, but they basically the it was condensed to yeah, he wasn't supposed to die, but I mean first it was like he died at the wrong time and showed it early It wasn't a part of the presentation, but it didn't come up in the lead [SPEAKER_02]: Barely okay the thing is is like they are capable of taking things in and out of their game They know what their demo is. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason for them to have it in there So I think they were like and it's Mark like remember when like before Octavian was promoted He I think he was just doing Q and A at the time But he would be doing the gameplay for the monstaches right so it's not like somebody who's [SPEAKER_02]: you know, in Q&A that doesn't have the authority to say what's being announced or not.

34:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they knew that. [SPEAKER_02]: They were an accidently revealed. [SPEAKER_02]: It was Mark, revealing it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, so that was just really exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: But that, that was my most exciting part of the whole thing. [SPEAKER_02]: What was the second massive cheers? [SPEAKER_01]: But there's nothing that could be that the fact that they just sort of like moved on from it was the part that made me laugh because I was like you You could have led with that and yeah everybody would have been in love with you So I just thought I mean just imagine how much stuff they would have to have if that they were just like yeah We'll move it on from a good death cap now you have it. [SPEAKER_02]: They I think I think the comments where they were saving it for the play sessions So you could discover it in the play sessions [SPEAKER_01]: interesting.

35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't even move after I died and just be looking back on the whole story. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Or be like, no, that's that. [SPEAKER_02]: Newly typing it. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see that. [SPEAKER_02]: That's super, super exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: It is. [SPEAKER_02]: That is very, very. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So the classes are really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I'm not sure about the shadow. [SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed, I actually thought at first something was wrong with my TV because of the way that it all goes in and now lying down. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It took me a minute to get adjust to the fact that that was actually what it was meant to do. [SPEAKER_01]: That concept behind it is really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: It just looked really busy for me. [SPEAKER_02]: It does, yeah, it's not neither our classes after I saw how those squires limited, either really classes for me, but I was highly impressed with the shadow because they found a way to do traps.

36:08 [SPEAKER_02]: without extra button traps are actually really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: So you have like yeah they are like so let's say you're doing three traps so every time you're going to do something you're going to do like these same three buttons. [SPEAKER_02]: Well whatever like if you had that idea or that twitch to do that you're doing that with spells you're doing that like you're already going to be doing that that's part of the build that you're choosing to do for damage combos it's not because their traps is because it's [SPEAKER_02]: whatever, right? [SPEAKER_02]: The combo of the skills themselves. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But they found a way to have traps trigger. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'd like set off at a certain point. [SPEAKER_02]: They found a way for traps to trigger. [SPEAKER_02]: When the user wants to.

36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a duration that whatever the, I don't know if it's like duration tags or what if it's infinite. [SPEAKER_02]: But I [SPEAKER_02]: they found a way to have those traps trigger when the user wants to without any extra buttons. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, because the movement itself is sure buttons and all that, but it's a natural part of the gameplay. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a natural part of what you're going to be doing from moving in, based on whatever skill you have. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're melee, you're naturally moving into fight close quarters. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're, you know, minions you're intentionally moving yourself to get behind the wall, whatever it would be. [SPEAKER_02]: So this is just part of the natural movement of the skills that you were already excited to play, already expecting to move that way.

37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And they found a way [SPEAKER_02]: to do all of that without any extra clicks, without any extra active abilities, without any extra anything. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like just a very natural, like that to me was highly impressive with the shadow. [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: My, uh, the screen keeps going black and stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just going to get close. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, it definitely looks really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that the traps play off of each other, I thought that was super fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I think the idea behind it's cool, I just it felt very, uh, jittery. [SPEAKER_01]: to me when I was watching it and I was like oh yeah yeah yeah the idea behind it was cool I'm just curious how it'll actually be to play it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the more I've been waiting no I want Templar.

38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the one that I'm probably the most excited for now coming out and let's I get access to Hended Axis. [SPEAKER_02]: Then I was surprised they didn't do Axis like maybe they'll remove the cluster on the tree but like that's two years of an axe cluster on a tree with no [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, um, but the have to say though the actual league that they're coming out with not even anything I could have remotely guessed. [SPEAKER_02]: I was fooled when I saw that, but it's that like it's yeah, because [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just expected them to come out with a naturally fluid like something that was simple in the middle of a map, but something that yeah, like [SPEAKER_02]: Like obviously you're not going to come up with essence, but something that Simple with it that just encourages the basic aspects of the game that naturally coincides with stuff Not like magic Something that I thought they would take like when the game is totally stale and they're like desperate for something and they're like, okay Let's really mix things up like that's what this kind of league is [SPEAKER_01]: Safe for and it's like it's their league launch Do I know when the coolest parts when they showed it for me at least was was the fact that you were prepping a battlefield and when you hit it It almost just like zooms into your character and now you're fighting the battle Like I just think that's all the F1 started doing that at the end of the race is now where they have the shot and then they like They they morph into the shot from the camera or from the car story

39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the right thing. [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool. [SPEAKER_01]: But in this league, I like it because it is, in my opinion, it looks like a more fund version of Toto, which I don't know why we don't have that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing that bothers me about 1.0. [SPEAKER_02]: But this thing looks great. [SPEAKER_02]: The third ascendancy didn't show up. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they did do. [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently they said that it's just not ready yet, which is, I mean, it's fine, but it's a bit disappointing because it's a major part of it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we hate the other two ways of ascending. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and it's not like the birds going to make it better. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's the third doesn't improve it, but it would just be nice to have it. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's part of act four. [SPEAKER_01]: You're walking through the area to still say like, you know, it's not ready for you yet.

40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit too bad, but whatever, but holy crap man, the league looks crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Sir, it reminds me of lords of the realm. [SPEAKER_02]: It's an old PC game that I used to play like a real-time strategy, but like with regions where you're It wasn't just an RTS like Age of Empires where it's like, you know, within a small enclosed map, but like it was a world, so you would send guys and it would take like [SPEAKER_02]: a long time but then you'd find out somebody was taking another army here and start sending them back but no, it's too late. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like it just seemed like that and then you could get involved with it That means pretty old game, but I really like the Lord of the Realms games, but you know this actually reminded me a lot of Age of Empires 3 Remember in AOE 3 you would have like cards and stuff like I played yeah the cards and that that menu [SPEAKER_02]: Looked like the card menu from age of empires three where the more you played a faction the more rewards you got for the faction You got rewarded for it and you could invest in like you know I'd always be going for the banks as the Dutch right like just it was crazy so but like [SPEAKER_02]: How do you not make that core?

41:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Like already I'm thinking far beyond launch like you put a lot into this It's got how does that thing not but then how does it go core? [SPEAKER_02]: Has to go click Kings March boggled my mind in terms of that going core that frustrated me yet at the same time in path two makes more sense like they just made a detestance attack four or whatever it is and like okay So you do that, but you don't have your shipments, but now they added the [SPEAKER_02]: The King's March shipments back in this one, right? [SPEAKER_02]: You send your people out to do stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Then they'll come back and it's like, you have your daily's. [SPEAKER_02]: But that's part of the mapping experience. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's mapped out. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And but still now you're going to feel like that pressure to do the things daily kind of thing.

42:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, did you send your people out today? [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, hey, honey, I'm ready for dinner. [SPEAKER_02]: Just two sex. [SPEAKER_02]: Just gotta go to send my guys out. [SPEAKER_00]: Send my people out. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Right? [SPEAKER_02]: But like, there's so much. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was telling people at the convention as we're all chatting about different things. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I am going to be the biggest hypocrite now. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm never going to be allowed to complain about a sending again, which really sucks. [SPEAKER_02]: Because so, you know why I don't like a sending. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like a sending with Sekima because that's not the playstyle I signed up to play the game. [SPEAKER_02]: right? [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, but I have to. [SPEAKER_02]: Same with trials of chaos. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to use again, I want to use my build, my theory crafted build, not parts of my build, like in Sechema.

43:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to use my entire build and do well with it to reward myself and get stronger. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want these crazy modifiers to ruin half my build. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I don't know what to do is going to be, but to do is going to be totally like I don't like any of the methods of ascending. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't and my elevator pitch to that is [SPEAKER_02]: Those aren't the gameplays I logged into play. [SPEAKER_02]: I logged into play the basic POE mapping, grinding, loot experience, and I want to try my build idea and see how successful it is. [SPEAKER_02]: And now that we have this new lead coming out in path too, [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what people sign up to play.

43:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not why you turn on path of Excel. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think I've ever been more excited for a league in my life, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Right, like this might be the first thing I've ever actually been excited for. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I always get the height, but you know me, I'm a standard player. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm always thinking, like, how is this gonna go? [SPEAKER_02]: Standard or whatever it is like and like I'll play it and I might like it But it's not something that I was excited for because I really only care about what goes corn I'm not gonna find out for three four months after the launch anyway [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever been more excited for a league. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that's because I was here in the wrist height. [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is age of empires in a way. [SPEAKER_02]: Being like the only other game I play being added to the only other game. [SPEAKER_01]: But then you also get the whole ARPG aspect of it.

44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're doing the building up and getting ready, but then you're in in the part of the fight. [SPEAKER_01]: And you actually matter, which is, I just, that's the intent that we are going to matter. [SPEAKER_02]: And but there's also brains, you know, a little bit of the matchup stuff going on. [SPEAKER_02]: earning your income. [SPEAKER_02]: So like that's like tell me what you think about it because I'm pretty I'm crazy excited for the league whether it's like a 1.0 or a 2.0. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care like that just seems really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's funny because I think Jonathan was saying, you know, we always want leagues to come in where you don't need to participate if you don't want to and you can just bypass it and I was laughing and going like, [SPEAKER_01]: never. [SPEAKER_01]: Holy, why would you skip this one? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is incredible.

45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the whole, the part that I thought was a bit weird, but I still think it's really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Is there, there's a, [SPEAKER_01]: a combined effort happening across the entire community for control over the atlas, but I don't have to care. [SPEAKER_01]: That was the part that I liked the best. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to be, I can still play the game by myself and there could be benefits that just show up because I am on the same team by chance that [SPEAKER_01]: is currently winning an area. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I don't totally get that whole concept yet, but I love that there's a there is a community thing happening, but I don't need to be a part of it. [SPEAKER_01]: I just it's happening in the background, but that was the part that threw me because the concept itself was not, and I was so excited.

45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden when they said that now the Atlas is being that these three factions are fighting over the Atlas, and now you have a whole community doing it, that was like, okay, that's uh, I can't think of anything we've ever had like that in path [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like they were talking in one of the Q&A panels. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was the founders meeting and Mark. [SPEAKER_02]: So there was Jonathan Chris Eric and it but they let Mark to mark good into the mission is really cool and so as the role talking like Jonathan and Mark were talking about like Like listen, we're just happy to come up with ideas now like we're scraping them bottom of the barrel for everything and but then when you have a conversation like this again, it's like [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, today not they're not screaming to anything like it's like you know whether like I'm thinking like Could they just say yes to everything yeah, but what about this yes?

46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: What about this? [SPEAKER_02]: Yes? [SPEAKER_02]: What about this? [SPEAKER_02]: Yes? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm fine with it like it seems really like I am very curious what that's [SPEAKER_02]: going to do the only thing that I don't like about the idea just in general. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like I'm probably going to love the league, but that's just because this fits the other genres that I like in in gaming. [SPEAKER_02]: But the only thing that I don't like in any path of exile league is the amount of [SPEAKER_02]: required to participate the required time it takes to participate. [SPEAKER_02]: So I love essence and strongbox is because I'm doing what I came to do and it's just click click click let's go.

47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: something like King March drove me nuts because I didn't want to take all that time not playing the game to play the mechanic like all this menu stuff and all this kind of thing that was one thing that some of the other like synths that was at synthesis that had the building of building in real building. [SPEAKER_02]: That's something I don't like about the valix period to have which is very similar to that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like I don't want to spend my time doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: I know there's benefits to it. [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's worth my time. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what I [SPEAKER_01]: do you think it's that actual mechanic though because you're going to be doing that in this new what is it called leagues of conqueror uh sorry what is it called I want to get it right it is the conquerors of very class you will still be having to do that little micro managing but is it because the what the concept is of that micro managing that's more enticing right because it is sort of a style of something that we would have liked to play anyway.

48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: for you and myself. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad for it. [SPEAKER_02]: In general, like if this isn't your favorite genre, like this is a lot of menu time, a lot of learning, a lot of figuring out, but it's a lot outside of gameplay. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the only thing I don't really like about some of these ideas, or this idea anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still going to love it. [SPEAKER_02]: I assume, just because it does intertwine with [SPEAKER_02]: With their either here nor there, like it seems like it's going to be a lot of menu time, so I'm really curious. [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully the learning curve is small for people that don't like the menu time and then hopefully the menu time is minimal.

49:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Once you've learned it and you kind of get into a rhythm and you know what you want to do. [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully it doesn't take too long. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really curious how it all integrates, though, because that's, oh, it's a lot, but it's cool. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's XP. [SPEAKER_01]: It's XP. [SPEAKER_01]: They did tons of unique changes. [SPEAKER_01]: I just have few notes through the keynote, but tons of unique, I'm curious about unique, because I think it's really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the stuff that they did. [SPEAKER_01]: They showed off a few of them. [SPEAKER_01]: All I care about is the idea that if a unique drops while I'm leveling, maybe there's a chance I can use it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what my favorite part about uniques are. [SPEAKER_01]: Until you get to end game in there, like build defining and you're really focused around them.

49:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love the idea that if I'm leveling and a cool unique. [SPEAKER_01]: weapon drops or chest piece drops that has some fun feature that's going to help me now progress faster. [SPEAKER_01]: I like that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the fact that you get, I mean, belts are probably the worst for me because a flask refill rate or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, that's not, that's not exciting for me when I'm leveling. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious to see what they did, but they have like a bolt load of new unique, a bolt load of new base types, like they've changed. [SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're [SPEAKER_01]: Balanced patch that's coming out with this seems pretty sweet like it's going crazy through items through skills through the pass of tree the Atlas rework is like I don't know purely ones Atlas rework.

50:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in love. [SPEAKER_02]: I love that one, but purely two is like I figured we would probably like I'm super stoked for path to you know me, but I figured we'd [SPEAKER_01]: with the news that was announced oh my gosh yes i think path one got uh i'm going to be playing it next week and long i got yeah i mean path one was nuts but but but the huge amounts of of um balance that's coming out or they're they're they're tempting to balance so this which is nice because that's what we missed in point five point five or whatever that's what we've missed and almost all of them there's been very few [SPEAKER_02]: balance changes to the early access experience, yeah, since launch. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

51:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So it means for a two-year spread, not saying they never happen, just for a two-year spread. [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's nice that it's getting done. [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously it should be done for League Launch, but to include unique and make them have the intent that they're all exciting is actually, I mean, might sound stupid to say, but that's actually a very big difference to what life is like in Path of Exile. [SPEAKER_02]: Like they [SPEAKER_02]: they have very specific purposes, and not in a bad way, but that doesn't make every one of them exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: They make many of them very practical, which is very good. [SPEAKER_02]: It makes them in high demand, but to have the intent of every unique being an exciting drop in path too.

51:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a very different experience. [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'll come with skills now, too. [SPEAKER_02]: All of them. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have to, they haven't come up with the actual YouTube videos yet. [SPEAKER_02]: There's just that one like 10 hour YouTube video for the whole day. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So I haven't gone back to, because they haven't separated yet, I haven't gone back to listen to it. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's some wording that I wanted to double check. [SPEAKER_02]: Not like it'll matter when the game comes out, we'll find out. [SPEAKER_02]: But I like listening to the specific wordings that they use. [SPEAKER_01]: Though I mentioned the Atlas Passive for POE2, that's the only part that I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they dropped it down from the 300, which was great. [SPEAKER_01]: And even Jonathan mentioned the fact that they just kind of quickly put it together for how you would cap on them in this last patch that we played.

52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that it's less points, but it still is the same tree as everybody else. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the only thing that I'm like, don't you? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you show Padvex on one and you're like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, they completely regained the Alice, but you still have the I have agency over where I'm going in that and what I'm going to do with it. [SPEAKER_01]: So I I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I just path of Excel 2's Atlas passive has never been you had more agency when it first came out. [SPEAKER_01]: I I didn't like it, but you couldn't get all the points you had to make a decision. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I'm not sure what the reason is to go with this Atlas passive tree where you get all the points and everybody has the same tree. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I'm that part of just confusing a bit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not exciting.

53:13 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's I mean, I like what what is it going to do when you're. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to have the choices nice to have a ridey and the funny thing is that I have like in past one. [SPEAKER_02]: I dislike almost every league mechanic. [SPEAKER_02]: I block out and block out almost everything right away and then I go for almost the same things, but you know what I like about it. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm choosing to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, hey guys, this is how I do my pass of tree. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we go where you are. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just because you're a big beautiful. [SPEAKER_00]: Like this, I'm like, yeah, fine. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is what I do. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's what I like and I get to share it and I get, like, this is what makes me unique with my end game mapping. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that.

53:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you, there's zero conversation. [SPEAKER_02]: for unique and game mapping in path to when it comes to the Atlas pass of tree. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not for variety. [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're just, you are making it harder, but you're just doing exactly what anybody else who's at that stage of the game is doing. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I just get, yeah, it's not. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't feel like how much you. [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, that [SPEAKER_01]: Endgame changes to the Atlas itself. [SPEAKER_01]: Look really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I am a bit lost so it'll be I got to play it to totally understand how it works But it does look look they've done quite a bit to the endgame like how you're at actually progressing through the Atlas. [SPEAKER_01]: So and Probably my favorite part about the Atlas is that you're now able to just go straight to the hub [SPEAKER_01]: of the league mechanic instead of like oh i need to do delirium but i got to do these six maps to get to it for some reason the ability to now be at that map right or that zone and start right from there is awesome i think that's gonna be a big cheer that got a big cheer i like that a lot as well you can just start going to it so [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of QOL going in the game.

54:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But then a lot of QOL going in the game. [SPEAKER_01]: Then they announced 3.3 which also come on guys. [SPEAKER_01]: This was the time to do 4. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: How is this not 4? [SPEAKER_01]: Path of Exile when you know it's funny. [SPEAKER_02]: It's so big. [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been 4. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not like the contents like oh yeah, we just put something small together because 4.0 is coming in like this is big enough. [SPEAKER_02]: That I could just slap four point. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, so I'm here. [SPEAKER_02]: Like now all of a sudden now it's like Chris was joking around in the founders meeting. [SPEAKER_02]: He's like This isn't reference to the first path of Excel one league on official or path to league on launch like the whole like armies and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Chris is joking to Jonathan.

55:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, like the scope of this is absolutely amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: You set the bar really high for yourself. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you'll do great. [SPEAKER_02]: That's probably calling him out on out big it is and that you can only you can only allow to go bigger Yeah, you're not allowed to go smaller anymore But with that same mentality in a joking way like what is 4.0 going to I'm sure they don't even know, but what's 4.0 going to be ever close 4.0 is your point 30 right over ever be other you find something Yeah, yeah, so but [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, path ones, you're a thing, but I got a lot to say. [SPEAKER_01]: So you go ahead. [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't wait to play it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm playing it next week.

56:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co- Co [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, while they're building and developing a whole new game for them to be releasing a end really like it's coming out only one month less than one month before they're dropping their 1.0 for Path of Exile 2. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's nuts for for the league to be this big that close to the release is it is really good because all it means is [SPEAKER_02]: It's marvelous marketing, self-promote, like you know how we always talk about with Red Bull and stuff like that.

57:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my, my house is too stuck to the to the rapper hang out. [SPEAKER_02]: But so in retrospect, though, like you have a monstrous path one league, yes, with monstrous changes, we have to talk about loot soon. [SPEAKER_02]: But and then you see path two with [SPEAKER_02]: huge stuff happening, but not a full release. [SPEAKER_02]: Now in retrospect, Jonathan's comments, like his piece of mind basically when it comes to the pacing of the games, he brought up finishing the campaign a hundred times this weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like that's been such a burden in the terms of, I guess, development and manpower or sort of people power and just like it was just so enveloping so it like it was like all of his comments were well now that we're finished the campaign easy peasy now that we're finished like it now that we're doing it finished and it was like almost everything was like now that we're finished the campaign.

58:05 [SPEAKER_02]: We got this, which is probably what the comment was right. [SPEAKER_02]: So you put all this effort into that, which which always was the intent anyway, but it probably obviously took them longer, more resources than they expected. [SPEAKER_02]: So now that that's actually done, okay, let's not do the classes, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do a full balance pass. [SPEAKER_02]: You need a full balance pass for your original launch way more than you need a complete class list. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, especially if they're not done, but even if they were imagined, okay, you can play all your classes in ascendancies, but [SPEAKER_02]: This 75% of these skills are completely useless in pointless, but you're not going to find out until you've wasted your time and started getting arcade.

58:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have the balance pass instead of classes and base types, you have completed campaign. [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of your third, because you already have two other ways to ascend and you have path one. [SPEAKER_02]: which will carry any path of Excel player, no matter the launch and the focus of grinding your games is path 2, but now you have this epic path 1, so that even if you don't like path 2, path 1 can carry you for a long time, like imagine if [SPEAKER_02]: they didn't come up with something big for path 1, and path 2's launch falls flat.

59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: A path 1 for me looks like it's not even something I'll be able to finish before path 2 comes out. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I was looking at some of the bosses and like these new pinnacle things and the progress you have to make to get to them and I was like, shesh, I might not even see some of this stuff before path of Excel 2's ready to come out. [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it's impressive because I feel actually torn [SPEAKER_01]: about multiple games and Path of Exiles League launch for Path of Exile 1 is in there. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I'm playing wild forever, which is fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Like a grand theft auto coming out soon, and your Path of Exile, what I would never have thought, Path of Exile 1's league. [SPEAKER_01]: would compete with those two. [SPEAKER_01]: I would have just been like, okay, we'll skip directly, but now it's like, well, crap, like, right.

1:00:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually like, like, okay, you know what, then you're going to be like, yeah, rocks are probably going to release a glitchy anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: Then what am I supposed to do on? [SPEAKER_01]: That's how two's coming out in December. [SPEAKER_01]: So then what? [SPEAKER_01]: I love what they did. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember when cyberpunk was coming out for the first time in the history of the universe, GGG is like, we're, like, they were like, two of faults. [SPEAKER_02]: this is our day kind of thing and like they never ever went away and then cyberpunk they what bump their game by a month and a half or whatever it was and then cyberpunk ended up you know really watching it all but I love that they have all these things happening in the video game community and they're like [SPEAKER_02]: Here we are right in the middle of it.

1:00:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys choose us instead of them instead of being like, yeah We'll move around like, you know movies sometimes be an easy one or it'll be a small league or blah blah blah Like they they're like we're right in here crazy and listening to how Jonathan was talking in some of the panels He's like they really just considered themselves a triple-like company triple-like game and I love that like they're like We're in that talk now now not in an arrogant way [SPEAKER_02]: The company expects or those are what the numbers are. [SPEAKER_02]: So he considers themselves like Equal competitors to all that, but in like not in an arrogant way like he's like humbled about it And he's often talked about like I never thought this would ever happen, but Now it's like yeah Rockstar has got GTA six coming out and you have wow forever, and then they're just like punch in a hole right through [SPEAKER_02]: Now, they're making everyone else be like, oh, yeah, shoot.

1:01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to release around Path 2? [SPEAKER_02]: Or do we want to release around Point 3, oh? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we don't, we don't talk about all of them. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know how many of the sessions you went to where they have their their staff is talking. [SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things is always crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I even remember when I went. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I remember watching the repeat video for the, I'll come on to when you hear some of their developers talk. [SPEAKER_01]: like the level of skill and knowledge that these people have is bananas. [SPEAKER_01]: It's seriously crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Whether talking about just the lighting and how you've got guys with physics degrees and all this like they know, I mean, we talked to guys when we were in NLA. [SPEAKER_01]: that had degrees I can't remember what the guy's degree was in but it you wouldn't have thought he'd be in a video game developing company with what he had had his degree and so I uh it what they put together and what they can come out with his nuts uh my only note for Path of Exile one that I really was excited for with Scarabs or how to hear so that made me happy that's yeah that is nice like I like to [SPEAKER_02]: matter of fact scarabs were like you read it and what's assuming like I like that but yeah and and not all of them had a natural [SPEAKER_02]: Um, increase.

1:03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: The same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, yeah, you get like right. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes like I don't remember which ones were which, but you would have a mechanic and it would instead of just being like you get one of this and then the next one's two of this and you get three and then four. [SPEAKER_02]: It would just be like four completely different things. [SPEAKER_02]: And so when you have a hundred of them, that's just too much reading way too much reading. [SPEAKER_02]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or you huck him in blindly and then there's it's pointless to have so much variety anyway, so and then Mirage was going court like I can't wait to get back into path of effect path of XL1 next week just to try all of the stuff that's been changed [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, so I just, I, I'm really excited for Path of Excel one, which I did not think I thought for sure I would be safe with wow and GTA, you know, the Path of Excel too, and that's definitely not been the case.

1:03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see assuming that Path of Excel one is good. [SPEAKER_01]: As it looks. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you want to talk loop. [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about loop because that we want to talk about my glutes. [SPEAKER_02]: I love your glue talk about my glue, but I would prefer to talk about loop. [SPEAKER_02]: The amount of steps I've taken, my glutes are looking good. [SPEAKER_01]: So they brought tears into Path of Exile 1, similar to what they had in Path of Exile 2. [SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like they're in real, yeah, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting hearing them talk about the problem of loot, which we've talked about forever, the problem of loot, and then they even... [SPEAKER_01]: didn't go as far as to say that you know that there's a filter problem, but even them showing the fact that the filter just you don't want to see all this shit.

1:04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There's too much stuff on the ground and we need to find a solution for it. [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like they're definitely pathing into direction that's going to make loot way better. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's different than what path to it's like the tier system is there, but the quantity and I'm not talking [SPEAKER_02]: quantity was always the problem too much right and sure like there's there's underlying levels to why the the quantity is the problem but the quantity was always the problem like your filter was at all about just getting rid of all the crap that's not useful in general not even like build specific and that was 90% of your loop right and so the really cool thing about this change in my opinion [SPEAKER_02]: is the fact that they're making a change to loot like we have been waiting 15 years for GGG to take some onus onto their loot instead of passing the buck.

1:05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like I can't remember and I could be wrong but [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like loot focused, I'm loot heavy, not in general, but that's the passion of me with my filters and everything. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of another time that they've actually given a crap about quantity like this, where they actually went through and tried to make a long-term solution to the actual foundation. [SPEAKER_02]: of the quantity of loot. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's been since they tried a long time ago and they did get better with loot and path of XL1 like two or three leagues ago but it wasn't quantity related. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay so your screen's frozen for me and my frozen for you. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: But I can see me moving so I don't know what's going on.

1:06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just a pixel. [SPEAKER_02]: Am I not moving on yours? [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you're stuck. [SPEAKER_02]: At least it's better. [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a good. [SPEAKER_02]: But you can at least hear me. [SPEAKER_02]: Good. [SPEAKER_02]: That's all I care about. [SPEAKER_02]: I can and we're at 67.04. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: He's Muse. [SPEAKER_02]: We are. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to get my power bank soon because the loss like 40% of my battery for this. [SPEAKER_02]: So I just wrap it up. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't like, they even change loot, but it's not even loot in path 2. [SPEAKER_02]: It's loot in path 1, like that's so mind-boggling to me. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I want to play with a default filter, just to see what it's like for them. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you, I mean, obviously you're going to be gone during it, but will you be trying path?

1:07:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you must be trying this league when you come back. [SPEAKER_02]: I am going to be trying this league. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to. [SPEAKER_02]: I... [SPEAKER_02]: and honestly like they can come up with whatever they want for the lead, but it's 100% for the loop. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I really got to try it up, but I love all the other changes they made. [SPEAKER_02]: Like [SPEAKER_02]: They revamped your favorite part of both games. [SPEAKER_01]: The Atlas Passing Tree. [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I saw the Atlas. [SPEAKER_01]: So here, I'll be honest with a couple things. [SPEAKER_01]: Act five and six, I did not want to know anything about them. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to know anything about them. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to play them. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get an experiences. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the Atlas Passing, and I am so happy that while they showed it, they kind of glossed over it. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't go into the detail of how it's all said. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Because I want to over-explodations that they can do and giving you 30 different examples of what this keystone can.

1:07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, which I don't want, I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited to get in, finish the act and then be able to open up that Atlas passive and start figuring it out because they have always been, that's always been one of my favorite parts of a path of Excel one is the Atlas passive tree. [SPEAKER_01]: So I am definitely very excited to get into it. [SPEAKER_01]: this time, I just, I feel like there was too much to keep track of as they were going through it. [SPEAKER_01]: And Jonathan had the best ending ever where he just like freestyleed, obviously it wasn't actually freestyling. [SPEAKER_01]: But when he just started going on all the things, oh my goodness, he was so good. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: and I even like the little stats used doing like we basically doubled everything but he lists everything right but yeah he did a really good job with with the list uh i wonder how much he practice that that would have been so fun to be like no window to the office and you see him just like he's got his microphone up he's well kudos to him too for being able to roll through the bugs [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he had the issues with the screen and stuff.

1:08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching it myself and then the kids got off school. [SPEAKER_01]: And so Logan came and was watching a bit with me. [SPEAKER_01]: And he says, um, he's like, wow, he, he likes to rock a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, the best part when you watch a game developer uncomfortable on a stage, that's how you know something's going to be good. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a public sphere. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not his job. [SPEAKER_01]: They understand video games. [SPEAKER_01]: That is always the one thing I like about even going to the first one as well, is you're not talking to people who are [SPEAKER_01]: They don't even want to be in the public. [SPEAKER_01]: They're just game developers. [SPEAKER_01]: They love their game, but when you start talking about their game, they just like, we saw that with Jonathan too. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember when we talked to him, and then all of a sudden, we started talking about Delver or something, I can't remember what it was, all of a sudden, he was like, it was when we started talking about Act 4 and the possibility that the islands were going to be random missions, and so you had to go to different places, like that was at Pax West and Seattle.

1:09:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that ever happened. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, oh, in the game, no, no, no, no, no, I thought you were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to start ignoring path one. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have the time to have two forever games as I said in their community many times and it's kind of excited to just like start ignoring my path one filter despite all the stuff I've done and just start working on the one and [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's very hard to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to just ignore it now, so Okay, so I didn't see anything outside of the keynote.

1:10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know a lot of the stuff in general. [SPEAKER_01]: So I am Wait, I don't see the count. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, nevermind. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: I see the counter. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe I hung up on you. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, your upload is staying fine. [SPEAKER_01]: So we should be good. [SPEAKER_01]: What's it at? [SPEAKER_01]: I can't see it. [SPEAKER_01]: Nine questions. [SPEAKER_01]: We're both just chilling. [SPEAKER_01]: Nine percent. [SPEAKER_01]: So no big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: No, once in grade 10. [SPEAKER_01]: So I tell me about like one of some of the other ones that you went to that you enjoyed like the actual sessions were there any that stood out to you Actually before you tell me that actually in keynote what was the loudest reaction couldn't really tell it was the The the death screen okay and the What was the other one I mentioned it um the the the AG style Screen for the Squire [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, okay.

1:11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those were the two biggies. [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the two Metagem or reactions. [SPEAKER_02]: They were they were huge. [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of the other announcements that they made were, it was like positive without the negative reaction. [SPEAKER_02]: Like there wasn't anything where it was like, [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and we're doing this, and we're doing this, and then things fall flat, like everything was like, it was well thought out in the generic community with the quick minds that they have, we're like, yeah, like that's really cool, or that's really exciting, or let's do this. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, and one thing that I actually, like, in the past GGG has had some of these demos where, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, oh, and then like destroy, you could do big damage and it was like, no damage, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, all their demos worked really well for what they were trying to present and that kept people really excited.

1:11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Talking to people afterwards, some boat, whichever new class. [SPEAKER_02]: none of them had anything negative to say about it because they were well presented, you know, the boss battles were really good and all integrated in the clear speed was fine for what they're trying to talk about. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, um, but the two big ones were just those little QOL things. [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So, did you go any of the other sessions? [SPEAKER_02]: Not too many, but I did go to some, I enjoyed going to the ones that were more specific about the mentality of the game, not the specific, so I didn't go to the engine one, didn't go to, are you didn't go to the engine one? [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't even go to the boss making one that marked it.

1:12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow, okay, but I was actually surprisingly, this really surprised me, I was really interested in both races. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool. [SPEAKER_02]: So I went to the G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G- [SPEAKER_02]: by day two I was like oh shoot like my kids would love to see pictures of all the statues that Justin apparently would also really see so I actually went around as soon as I went in I was taking pictures of the cool statues to show my kids because it they I was the staff of the venue were having a great time because they they're saying things like [SPEAKER_02]: We do these conventions all the time.

1:13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody transforms the place and they have done that every time every XO upon is crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like massive statues, epic statues, but even like all the windows were covered with like [SPEAKER_02]: uh GGG lore stanglass stuff like everything was every pillar had like stones and i love that you can get that as a hideout like that you'll have that building as a hideout is freaking cool man that is it was so cool [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's all like the staff themselves at like the the convention center staff and the G staff were like they were really enjoying it and thought it was really cool.

1:14:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a very very cool and professional, but [SPEAKER_02]: So I actually missed the path 1 Q&A because it was first thing in the morning on the second day and I didn't realize how long it was taking me to take pictures and then people will come up and we'll talk and I take more pictures and then all of a sudden I'm like 45 minutes late for the Q&A. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh [SPEAKER_02]: Well, guess I'll YouTube the next thing, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And then it was like, and then I started doing something else and I like I guess I'll YouTube What's the thing that you were at? [SPEAKER_01]: So when you message me you and I were talking because you um, oh, because you told me keyboard and mouse Hot swapping which freaking thank God that's coming to power the VxL2. [SPEAKER_01]: You were in the same thing. [SPEAKER_01]: No [SPEAKER_01]: that was that was the first thing it was not the keynote because it was after the keynote because they didn't talk about hot swapping at all that I ever saw and you went to something after and you kept telling me there's skipping my questions about I don't remember what you were talking about okay right so yeah it was funny the person that I was sitting next to they're like it's just because it's your username [SPEAKER_02]: Like every single question, I'd like six o as the path to Q&A.

1:15:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: It was the path to Q&A. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, so I scan the QR code and I'm typing my questions. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what about this? [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just generic. [SPEAKER_02]: Like none of them are like, uh, so whatever is sucked for so long. [SPEAKER_02]: What made you want to fix it now? [SPEAKER_02]: Like nothing sassy. [SPEAKER_02]: It was all just like, you know, an actual specific good questions, same kind of questions that were asked. [SPEAKER_02]: None of them passed approval. [SPEAKER_02]: It was all like waiting for approval and I'm waiting and like some of them is like waiting for 10 minutes for approval and then they just disappeared. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like So that is the bad one question that gets asked is can you name your squire? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like oh, I'm on Could you [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

1:16:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you can't think about it. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Can't. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you can think about it. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so it's awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So none of my questions got through in the Q and A, but you did go to that. [SPEAKER_02]: And he'd love like ask about this. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this and yes, so it was a Q and A where I would have messaged you about your keyboard, which is keep. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think about 10 minutes later, I saw people talking about it in discord, so there must have been another. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it was something that I missed or not, but when I was talking, I read into some of our friends a few times and try was saying, talkative, try was saying that if you want to do, like you can actually have the console UI on PC, so you can have everything really nicely centered now.

1:16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to have, like if you're a widescreen, have it way on [SPEAKER_02]: similar options in terms of how you're swapping it around that, and analyzing stuff like that. [SPEAKER_02]: But with the, I think for changing how the UI functions, and what your options are, if you wanna do hot swapping, I don't even care how they do it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's on say as what it's not going to like, you know, snap to the PC version when you start clicking on your mouse, and then snap back to the console version when you start using your controller. [SPEAKER_02]: So he was really excited about it. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if that came from a Q&A, or just information that he already knows, [SPEAKER_01]: the the new league mechanic to me it would be so nice to be able to just use my mouse when I'm you know you're watching them prep and get their stuff ready.

1:17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to use the controller and I know I could do that faster with the mouse. [SPEAKER_01]: So just just basic stuff being able to swap between them is going to be awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: So again, no, these are crazy things that aren't that the death cap like I just love that they had so much stuff to talk about that they didn't even fit in [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, the death cap could have been it. [SPEAKER_01]: A death recap has been something that's been wanted in Path of Exile since beta. [SPEAKER_01]: Like literally since close beta, purely one understanding how you're dying. [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that they're finally doing it, I don't know if it's coming to Path of Exile one, I assume not, but at least one of the games will be crazy if it didn't.

1:18:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually one thing that I learned from somebody that went to one of the things is path one and path two have the same engine. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know where I know that it's to be honest. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure we do. [SPEAKER_02]: And if anybody has questions, they can ask in the comments below. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll totally tell you. [SPEAKER_01]: It's how it drives. [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously. [SPEAKER_01]: Got it. [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be something with moving forward. [SPEAKER_02]: I was joking with Aaron that [SPEAKER_02]: I was joking like the reason that like we don't get invited and it's not a disk, but I was joking with there and like the reason we don't get invited to these things or anything like that is because I hugged the right on my maps. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know the drove on the left side of the road here. [SPEAKER_02]: They do. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all left side of the road here.

1:18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll bet you if I hug the left side of the map. [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be like a change. [SPEAKER_01]: We get it. [SPEAKER_01]: I really understand what that is. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a joke. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a joke. [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty, but listening as just just just joshin' around. [SPEAKER_02]: But it has been dangerous walking around. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I cannot hit. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I can math. [SPEAKER_02]: I can math with decimal. [SPEAKER_02]: You betcha. [SPEAKER_02]: But I can't. [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I like math. [SPEAKER_02]: But I cannot handle driving on the opposite side of the road. [SPEAKER_02]: You guys are driving, right? [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'm a pedestrian and it is terrible. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not Jay walking. [SPEAKER_02]: I am not. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're looking the wrong way. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I'm like, yep, I'm walking. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was safe. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was safe. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's great. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it takes forever to walk anywhere because it's like, every four way intersection, you take one at a time.

1:19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't always go with the same time. [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's often I'm waiting for like okay, you can go. [SPEAKER_02]: You can go. [SPEAKER_02]: But you're walking. [SPEAKER_02]: Now I can go. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm walking everywhere but they don't wait for you if you're walking and Canada they just people just walk [SPEAKER_01]: Is that not a thing there? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here there's very specific like here like it's not like a left turner is going to wait for you It's just you're not love going at the same time. [SPEAKER_02]: Do they try to go? [SPEAKER_02]: It's just right side of the gun look are there cars right side of them? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I did not know when you got you were at the airport I was going to go in like the my wife and kids were in the back. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so I was going to the past and just see it like tower [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was opening the door for, but he was getting in the driver seat.

1:20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, Justin, if I start hugging the left side of the map, that'll help you. [SPEAKER_02]: You never know. [SPEAKER_02]: You never know. [SPEAKER_02]: So to add to your question, though, I didn't actually go to a lot of the panels, but I loved doing the races. [SPEAKER_02]: Partly because I want to surprise like okay, like what do you want to do what yeah me to me to and I'm like okay Well, what skills are they using what are they doing? [SPEAKER_02]: How do they do they look okay with all work. [SPEAKER_02]: Well like I remember going into it You've been in a new and I was like, I don't know what's happening here when I went through it I did like it may be very tired very tired because I have four screens on one screen that it all just movement skills Yeah, that's right.

1:20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like oh [SPEAKER_02]: I'm falling asleep, but I actually did have to like get up and walk around and go get an orange juice and come back just because like I literally was falling asleep and waking up and falling asleep and waking up, but I was hoping that and this isn't a criticism to the racers or anything like that. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just as someone that was using it as an opportunity to learn. [SPEAKER_02]: They all use the same class and the same skills like they all use the same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't anything that [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of them disagreed on would be better or worse for there's probably a consensus all agree on the same where people know it's faster And then but it was also the same for path to which is pretty disappointing. [SPEAKER_02]: I was looking forward to the difference between them because of course I hate all that cheap stuff in path one where it's like you can just portal out come back in your flaster full you're ready to go it's like a it's a way to evade avoid death [SPEAKER_02]: And in path 2 you can't really do that right and so I was looking for the differences, but unfortunately both races they used all four agreed on this because they were playing for money those two prices.

1:21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I doubt that they agree on it, but they all just race and they know that that's [SPEAKER_01]: is what is the fastest and I'm pretty sure they're racing for real money. [SPEAKER_01]: Like at XL con, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like the winner one. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I know they got sweet trophies. [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, I still went and there was actually some pretty epic things that happened. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like, [SPEAKER_02]: you know, you go to one of these massive, like, e-sports things at a, at a, at a, whatever arena, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And then something epic happens, and you see in the commercials like, everybody's crazy, cheering, oh, I can't believe that happened. [SPEAKER_02]: Totally happened in both races, which is the, the whole convention center. [SPEAKER_02]: You rubbed it, especially for the path to one, completely erupted.

1:22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was all legit. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's fun when you know the stuff that's going on. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, oh, no, wait, no, no, [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't realize you're one of them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, just really yelling at the screen, so that's fun. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of fun. [SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: really enjoyed it, but like it wasn't like a panel thing where I'm learning so cool about it, right? [SPEAKER_02]: What, uh, I really enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What was in your little baggy? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, um, you don't have to get it. [SPEAKER_02]: Just my little baggy. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I got my pin was an exalted orb. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I got a deck of cards never ended up actually playing the game, but oh yeah, they tend to just dined it up getting enjoyably distracted by other things.

1:23:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, there was a notebook. [SPEAKER_02]: I remember [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we were impressed with how they treated us, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like the drink vouchers that they give you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just like one or two. [SPEAKER_02]: You get like a few per night kind of thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, then like even like the Xbox controller we got in LA. [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like just a cheap one. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And you got to pick your favorite color. [SPEAKER_02]: They got the like super duper expensive one and it was custom skinned with custom engravings like really cool stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Like they do that really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: they know you're a fan and they really want you to feel they're thankful like they're thankful for you, which is cool. [SPEAKER_02]: So even though we go out and spend crazy money to get here, that goody bag just makes you feel like [SPEAKER_02]: yeah they're like really thankful about this and so like even the note pad that they gave it's not like one of the cheesy note pads that's just like $15 and it's just like paper the whole way through and obviously it's a note pad but it's like a full leather really nice note pad with like a path of exile engraved on it on the inside like indented and on the inside the borders they have is all like really nice thick cardstock pictures of their art cool right [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like just like they go, they don't give you the cheap version.

1:24:39 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't give you the expensive version. [SPEAKER_02]: They give you the like we give like we actually care. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm giving you the best. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you for 50 years of marriage. [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of kind of so we got that. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a t-shirt. [SPEAKER_02]: It says XL Con 2026. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, like a picture of a boss that I've totally totally killed a thousand times. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: From Battle of Exalt 2, I see the only Pettacle of the Whops, and yeah, I can't get, I can't even get T3 maps to drop, but, um, it's, yeah, it was, it was the, it was the generous goody bag. [SPEAKER_02]: It was nice. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever go to the gift store? [SPEAKER_02]: You sent me a picture of the line, which I did, so the, the gift store, um, [SPEAKER_02]: the entire convention was the line up to the gift store.

1:25:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: They had to separate. [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was never being that bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's been three hours. [SPEAKER_02]: People were three hours in line waiting. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately, they didn't have caps. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you didn't have a limit, you could go win and buy as much as you wanted of anything. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's too bad. [SPEAKER_02]: So some of the really cool things like the keycaps, like the Vagor for your stuff was all sold out. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's too bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Which is too bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't limit it to one or two people. [SPEAKER_02]: Or one or two people. [SPEAKER_02]: They actually have one shop in the whole venue. [SPEAKER_02]: Was it just the one shop they didn't like, so I set up multiple shops. [SPEAKER_02]: I ended up buying a couple of things. [SPEAKER_02]: But I went the next day and there wasn't even a line up.

1:26:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there was a line up at the beginning of the second day, but by the time I'm like, oh, wait, like I was standing with broccoli upstairs. [SPEAKER_02]: We were chatting for a little bit and then we both looked down and were like, there's a story even open or they closed it. [SPEAKER_02]: So we go down stairs. [SPEAKER_02]: We walk right there and tell them a water warrior, you know, being all excited and then they walk us in. [SPEAKER_02]: And we could pick whatever we wanted. [SPEAKER_01]: It was picked through. [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's good. [SPEAKER_02]: Cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so what's good was nice it was it was a lot of fun. [SPEAKER_02]: It was cool to go through and they That's a really unique things there, but [SPEAKER_02]: is on the price and I wish that I just wish they had an online store and then you know then you could still have like your super cool merch for your supporter packs but just have like unique things you know what I mean like stuff that like you could only get through support pack like your really epic merch do through support pack but I wish they just had a generic store where we could just buy crap.

1:27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They did go crazy with the new supporter pack a new like purely one new [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize until I went on the website later that each of those was the new tier. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were five themes that each had their 30s. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, they just went to the tier. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how they boys get it. [SPEAKER_02]: So, like crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: You get like one of the higher tiers, you're getting 10 hundred thrones. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, because that's, it was the thrones that made me think, I'm like, oh, okay, that's a cool theme. [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what you get for the $30 or the $60 version, especially because you get rollers with it too. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there was a lot of like, not copy and paste, but it was like a lot of the same things.

1:27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I thought they were five themes, right, for individual tiers. [SPEAKER_02]: So that as I'm on website and I'm looking through and I was on mobile too. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, oh, maybe they just didn't do the mobile right, but I'm going through and I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just like if I spent the 500 bucks, [SPEAKER_00]: You can have thrones everywhere, got a lot of thrones, got a lot of thrones, like a lot of thrones. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the way sweet. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, you are going to go off and explore New Zealand, but what can you sum up? [SPEAKER_01]: The trip was your favorite thing. [SPEAKER_01]: One thing from not the trip, sorry, not the trip, the actual just the XL con. [SPEAKER_02]: the people.

1:28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really nice to just to actually see everybody just be happy to talk to someone else. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't anybody that ever seemed annoyed. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and in the autograph sessions, like, you know, after like eight hours of autographs, you can see them like their heads are falling off, but like they were doing phenomenal, like they didn't want to reject anybody, but like no matter which employee you walked up to, they were just really nice, really kind, happy to talk and we're just as excited [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, a quality I guess is the right word, but everybody was just on the same page and just as excited to be there whether you were from the company or as a fan.

1:29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And that was really my favorite part. [SPEAKER_02]: That's great. [SPEAKER_02]: Because everything else you can get on Twitter, YouTube. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's cool to be there. [SPEAKER_02]: It's cool to be around people as it's happening, but watching people interact and have the different things, but even seeing like GGG care so much about the fan experience and all the different things they had and [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even the convention center people like I was saying they were like really excited like there was a lady there that I got like two free coffees because she just liked how much I talked about how the coffee and stuff like that while I was waiting for coffee It was just really really fun. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm but I'm crazy excited for the content like I am like you. [SPEAKER_02]: I did not think that I would be Playing path one before path two And I did not think that I would be [SPEAKER_02]: going back to my loot filters in path one.

1:30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not think that I would if they didn't come out with what my previous expectations for a full release would be. [SPEAKER_02]: I did not think that I would be excited or impressed if they didn't come out with the content. [SPEAKER_02]: But as we've said many times and corrected ourselves many times throughout the history of the podcast, [SPEAKER_02]: they're unbelievably creative and it is so often that they just do something unexpected like this is the complaint so this is the obvious fix in my mind or whoever's mind that this is what needs to happen to fix it and then they come through something completely different and you're like oh that's actually really smart you know what I mean so this was loaded with that and [SPEAKER_02]: I almost like it as a complete 180 to the comments that I've had in the last couple of months.

1:31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I really agree with like this last six months of because they did this for path 1 and they should have done this for path 1 because they're not doing this for path 2. [SPEAKER_02]: So doing this for path 2 like it all just really like at the end of the day when you're if you're all fly on the wall on that meeting you're like yeah, you know what that's that's like your best choice. [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that. [SPEAKER_02]: That's really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I [SPEAKER_02]: I never thought I'd say it, but I'm super excited for both games. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, obviously, I was going to be excited for one, but two, you mean. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, one of them. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's very cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so, but for you, it's probably more path one, is my guess.

1:31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I'm more excited for path two because of the I want to experience five and six, act five and six, and I want to experience this new league. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think this new league is [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like one of the coolest ideas that they've thrown into Path of Exile, so I'm really excited for that. [SPEAKER_01]: But Path of Exile 1 is coming out with so many changes that I did not expect to be on the fence about what I play it before. [SPEAKER_01]: Path of Exile 2 just because of the other games that are out at the same time, so I will definitely be playing it. [SPEAKER_02]: Which is good so it's always nice to have choices. [SPEAKER_02]: It is sweet man. [SPEAKER_02]: It is this great like I could I could honestly talk about this for forever, but it is really cool like we got what yeah, we got it we got it and that flew by I felt like two minutes.

1:32:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for making time, everybody. [SPEAKER_02]: The time changes a little nuts. [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for your. [SPEAKER_02]: I was asking Google about our time changes. [SPEAKER_02]: And I was pretty sure it was a four hour, like 20 hour difference, but a four hour difference for us. [SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden it starts throwing and like even Google screwing up the, yeah, they can understand our changes. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's so stupid. [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for double checking with me in the time and I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_01]: And I really hope this all worked out. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see. [SPEAKER_01]: This has got some good GBs just. [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Sweet. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's wrap this up. [SPEAKER_01]: Then forever Excel. [SPEAKER_01]: 369. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just Naked Tags. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Tyler. [SPEAKER_01]: Record days. [SPEAKER_01]: Patrons. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for your support. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll have a quick message for you after this, but otherwise we'll see.

1:33:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what will be next week, but we have a website forever Excel.com. [SPEAKER_01]: We have a very fun discord pop in there. [SPEAKER_01]: Say hello. [SPEAKER_01]: Patron, otherwise we'll support the podcast to find them down below and enjoy the path of Excel one. [SPEAKER_01]: League lunch that comes out next week because actually comes out in a couple of days, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I think so. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's this Friday, so actually yeah, and then there was even, I know you're wrapping up, but there was an intentional leak of the patch notes here. [SPEAKER_02]: So people like we're taking pictures and copying pasting them and like sharing them around. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Which is fun. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure it was intentional. [SPEAKER_02]: Just a screw around with people or for whatever, but [SPEAKER_02]: patch notes are coming out uh the Wednesday okay so a couple of days because employees have Monday off which is I guess Sunday for you but they have today off Monday off then they go back to work on Tuesday and then patch notes come out Wednesday three then league is coming out so but hopefully they'll enjoy their day off and a big thanks to them for putting this on because I think it's so cool that they do this and this is number three and it's been a success every time and very cool [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

1:34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Very, very cool. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, buddy. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_01]: See you, everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for making time, man. [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. [SPEAKER_02]: See you.