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0:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, come to Forever XL them just naked tags, and I'm Tyler Recker of Days. [SPEAKER_00]: This is episode 367, I didn't write it down, I think that's 367, because I remember we did a 363, 367, 367 of our podcast together. [SPEAKER_00]: Here we are. [SPEAKER_00]: Ready to go. [SPEAKER_00]: You're not ready to go. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm always ready to go already. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hit this button. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it didn't swap us. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here we are 300 to swap. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: Big show to your patrons, thanks everybody who resubbed up this past week. [SPEAKER_00]: Patron gets to access to afterdarks, a podcast after the podcast and we just keep talking and hanging out.

0:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just do one of our things. [SPEAKER_01]: How are everybody? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a recent extra super special. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's been a really busy week, just and I've been so excited for your birthday coming up this week that I haven't done anything else except for the pair for it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're doing something me too. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what I would get you. [SPEAKER_00]: What could I get you? [SPEAKER_00]: I would never want to gift from a friend. [SPEAKER_00]: That would be weird because then I would be like, well, do I have to buy you? [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Not for a birthday. [SPEAKER_00]: You can get over that. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, [SPEAKER_01]: Now I got to wear this like all the time like what if like someone got you will watch but then you never wear the watch. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know I really like it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just yeah I don't want to make somebody feel bad. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to look a buy it underwear than I'll never know if you're actually wearing it or not with my face on it [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't work then.

1:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Never mind, I'm happy birthday coming up by the way, but I am going to find a way to print my face on underwear. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. [SPEAKER_01]: Remember how I used to, that one time I did the joke with the mugs? [SPEAKER_01]: I put Mr. Beefy and I had my face or me flexing. [SPEAKER_01]: I were never saw on it and I gave it to everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm mugged. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do that with underwear. [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: So how's your rec how was things besides being excited [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, so I am so excited now for both face underwear. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_01]: I-I'm gonna- I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but I need you to like start an evening with Christine and you're like dance and up to where we're with that underwear. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm working, no.

2:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I could never- That's what made me great. [SPEAKER_01]: No, you could never happen. [SPEAKER_01]: You could. [SPEAKER_01]: So- [SPEAKER_01]: How's it week? [SPEAKER_01]: What'd you do? [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I can think about now. [SPEAKER_01]: It's this fantastic good So we've been trying to get a new like merch store for for the podcast, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, and so we're going through and we chose a merch store and The site was kind of glitching a little bit, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't connecting to the proper land you get manned or accounts and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it kept like logging me out So I had to log back in and try something and then do this and do that name [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to make sure like that I'm comparing it to other other stores so I'm you know creating the or getting the logo and then creating a shirt and creating Getting doing that on a bunch of different websites anyway this specific site kept logging me out and I kept having to go back in Login and I don't really know what the issue was but eventually I'm like okay like it actually seems to Be fine with high res logos and the new logos that we have are just super super cool [SPEAKER_01]: And, seriously, this lady and her cords, I tell you.

3:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You think I would notice I had a time. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm that dynamic of a speaker where I wasn't moving around much before, but anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: So, anyway, I'm going through and I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to Xalcon and I kind of want to like. [SPEAKER_01]: you know have like forever excelled merch that i'm wearing for the two days there as well but i don't want to wear the same t-shirt both days and most like merch stores the longer that you print on one side whether it's like the front of the shirt or the back of the shirt same with hoodies so it's like okay well now i need something that i'm going to wear on the back and something i'm going to wear on the front so i think i'd like a hoodie for two days right because you can wear hoodie for two days and then just two different t-shirts for the front [SPEAKER_01]: and so I'm not wearing it now, but so anyway I'm going through and I'm like okay so I really like this story.

3:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this one's good. [SPEAKER_01]: The shipping is awesome internationally in terms of the cost and all that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's way, way better than teaspoon, which is absolute trash. [SPEAKER_01]: And so going through getting it and I'm like okay, so let's see what this is like. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll order it for myself, right? [SPEAKER_01]: The store is not officially online. [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't changed the link yet on our website or anything, but I'm like okay, so let's let's order this. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what it looks like, [SPEAKER_01]: And then if it doesn't well, then we don't use it, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And so anyway, I make the order. [SPEAKER_01]: And then no joke an hour later, as you know, the account gets suspended. [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't tell you why. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just some sort of AI thing.

4:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So then, you know, I got to like, hold a piece of paper with certain information that they have a picture of my face. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, remember something like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, so like, because I'm, you know, requesting that they unsuspened my account, because it's, it is a really good site for what we want. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was very happy that we found it. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I hope they unsuspened my account. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they still have rent. [SPEAKER_01]: No, they haven't taken up to two weeks to even respond. [SPEAKER_01]: If they bother responding. [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like a good customer service. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: So going through all that, but I was like, okay, well, that happens. [SPEAKER_01]: So they're obviously not going to ship the merch. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the t-shirts and the hoodie arrived. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's so weird. [SPEAKER_00]: And they look amazing.

5:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they did turn out really good. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw the picture, but I didn't, I couldn't tell the quality. [SPEAKER_01]: So two sex. [SPEAKER_01]: You want me to go get them and show you. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll do another time. [SPEAKER_01]: You can wear like next week or in a shirt. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like they're actually, I mean, who knows what they're going to look like after one or two washes. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't ever watch like the the other hoodie as much as I hate tea spring that we were with for a while that hoodie and a logo last year now. [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty great, but I mean I watched it lots and I wore it lots, but Anyway, hilarious enough. [SPEAKER_01]: It came and in fantastic condition. [SPEAKER_01]: The shirts fit great. [SPEAKER_01]: The logo is a very order stuff, but then [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so automated that it was just like, yeah, go. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I have two pins, a magnet and a hat still coming. [SPEAKER_01]: And I really hope that comes.

5:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to see. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then. [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, it was pretty funny. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they give you like some big promo code for like a big like 40% off or whatever on your first order. [SPEAKER_01]: So it ended up working out really well for me. [SPEAKER_01]: Just as a as a customer of myself. [SPEAKER_01]: But. [SPEAKER_01]: yeah so anyway that was just really funny and then you know we're like a week and a half away from leaving for New Zealand so uh the family's just kind of in prep mode and the kids now know as I talked about before but then we had parent teacher interviews this week with the kids and so talked a little bit about that about what they'd be missing and so it's just been a lot of fun we're going to go out and do a bunch of the last minute chores you know buying little things today and stuff like that.

6:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure kids are getting excited to travel. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're crazy excited. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I hope they really like it. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it'll be exciting for them to go through and do all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: But I hope like some of the down days, they're just not like so. [SPEAKER_01]: So now what in Aaron and I are like we're just we're sleeping all day. [SPEAKER_01]: You kids play solitaire all day so. [SPEAKER_00]: Relic but in a different country so it's different kind of solter. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right, and they don't even speak English there. [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows if they speak yeah, maybe they'll learn the language real fast. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're right pick it up I'm sure it's fun. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, no, we had a we had a really good week this week and it's been nice [SPEAKER_00]: Good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel?

7:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it was Friday. [SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday, and all of a sudden, it's Friday today. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm not even kidding. [SPEAKER_00]: Yesterday, I texted one of the guys I'm working with out east, and I ended it with have a great weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, the today's Thursday. [SPEAKER_00]: And I legitimately thought yesterday was Friday. [SPEAKER_00]: I was so bummed when he's like, [SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was done with this week so and now he doesn't believe anything else you said because that's well yeah it's probably wondering what I was on that's been my that's been my week it's just been very busy lots of appointments lots of meetings it's been good like a good week I'm just looking to see if we had anything fun um we had I had so I'm [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we had an event and it was a really cool event, really great event and we had people speaking from all over Canada So it was it was really fun and and this one woman was speaking and she was she was talking about But whatever just different things, but one of the things it tough time Well, sorry because because all the extra stuff doesn't matter, but what did matter was this one part and it was quite funny because she was talking about [SPEAKER_00]: Vision boards like the idea of people creating vision boards and like I so I'm standing at the back of the room and I'm chatting with the head of our HR her and I just add the back sort of a you know tapping on HR HR conversation.

8:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah just just sort of listen in and and um [SPEAKER_00]: This woman's chatting about vision boards, and you know what your vision board is, and I don't get the idea behind the vision board. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, she's trying to explain it, and that at one point our head of HR looks up and she kind of laughs because I had [SPEAKER_00]: sort of not rule my eyes, but kind of scoffed a little bit like I just don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand the idea of if I put something on a board and I know it probably works for people. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the idea that if I put something on the wall here, that that's manifesting my destiny, like that that's somehow changed. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it does for some people. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't understand it. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was laughing to him like my vision board if I was to ever make one would be either a bed.

9:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what I, like, slits, I want to sleep or blank, like nothing, like it would be Emily's, like those are the two things that I'd be like, I could, how do I manifest those things? [SPEAKER_00]: Like more sleep or just like nothing, but it was so it made me laugh a little bit, but the week was really good, like we had done that's funny. [SPEAKER_00]: It was really good workwise. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I didn't play any games like I, I [SPEAKER_00]: Our kids have, you know, it's been rough on them. [SPEAKER_00]: They've had two full weeks of school so far this year. [SPEAKER_01]: So they kind of like a pro-D day every second day. [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like man. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so ridiculous. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think listeners, that just means a day off. [SPEAKER_01]: Professional day or whatever for the teachers.

10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, where we are, it's like we feel like as parents, like at the months of week. [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, somebody was saying to me yesterday that the, and that was a good point, like, I think it's the school this you're trying to save money, like this is their way of saving money, they can shut off the lights and have less staff, I it whatever it like cat what my, my, my, my, hi, hi, I don't know when you're going to start recording again, my cat, um, she has this thing now, she's compulsive like she's, she's obsessive and hyper focused and she'll, she'll, when she wants something. [SPEAKER_01]: It could still be kitten, like, a year in a bit old now, or year and a half, maybe?

10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, summertime. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, year and a half, but she gets these modes where it's just that's what I want. [SPEAKER_01]: And like when Aaron's broadcasting, so we have the door to our office, you know, it's like the clear plastic glass kind of door, and it has the side door handle where it goes down. [SPEAKER_01]: She literally, when she wants in, she will just not stop me out and jump at the door handle, not stop me out and jump at the door handle. [SPEAKER_01]: She's open it a few times, so that's what she focuses on, but she'll literally just jump on the door handle and hang there, and then meow really loud. [SPEAKER_01]: So she's saying from the door handle, but it's so loud, so loud, and so sometimes I don't know, hang on, I'm gonna try this.

11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes that's what she wants. [SPEAKER_01]: And then that's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I can not care about whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: Like cause then it's not making noise for the podcast or distracting me or anything like that. [SPEAKER_01]: But then half the time we're not half the time but whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like jumping around like laying on the computer and like trying to find all the Anyway, sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: She was messing around with computer yesterday while I was streaming. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize she didn't fix it. [SPEAKER_01]: Hi. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, well organized podcast super high nice to see you Justin. [SPEAKER_00]: So I forgot your vision board. [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about Prozild Blank though is what I was trying to get to and so I had I had scheduled things Planning that kids were not free and offerly and so yeah, it's been the week's been fine though.

12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We watched [SPEAKER_00]: So this is just how busy it's been and how little time I've had we've we've just watched some self-park episodes together in the evenings before I go to bed because it's just that's fun. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Long days, but I'm reading my book. [SPEAKER_00]: How am I not quite half way done the eighth book and it's I was saying in Discord it's a bit sad because I [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm reading it too fast and there's no 9th book out yet and so I know that I'm going to hit the end of this 8th book and not have a book to read yet for the 9th one. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like I should read it slower, but I'm really enjoying the story and also he shifted up a little bit in the 8th book to the chapters are shorter, they're not as long and for some reason my brain reads longer when the chapters are shorter.

13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'll feel more inclined to just be like, oh, one more chapter, one more chapter. [SPEAKER_00]: When they're shorter like that. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like I'm going through it too fast. [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea when the 9th one's supposed to come out. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big, big compliment to the author though, because you are someone that hates a story that isn't finished. [SPEAKER_01]: You hate starting, like with TV shows, you hadn't started, it wasn't finished when I started. [SPEAKER_01]: True, but since then, you still learned that you learned that very early on in your reading and you still continued. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't though. [SPEAKER_00]: I knew that I didn't actually know I didn't know how many of their were. [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't know how many there were supposed to be. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't until I got to like, actually it wasn't until I bought the eighth one that I knew found out that it was a plan 10 series thing.

14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that it was 10 99. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's 10. [SPEAKER_00]: So, and it's hard because now we're into it. [SPEAKER_00]: Now that I know that tens the end, and I'm reading some of the things that are happening in eight. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, ooh. [SPEAKER_00]: What could this mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's so much analysis of this story that's like the outside world of the dungeon. [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Such a fun book. [SPEAKER_00]: I've really enjoyed them. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm about halfway through the eighth one. [SPEAKER_01]: So I was telling, um, man way and and dark wing that I'm excited for you to finish the series. [SPEAKER_01]: So I can ask you questions about it because I was excited. [SPEAKER_01]: Up that stuff that you're mentioning is a stuff that interested me in.

14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But what would what would you ask me though that I would that like do you mean like about the story itself? [SPEAKER_00]: Just just ask I just want to know about the story because it's very creative I just didn't want to go through it, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So And maybe you won't reward me. [SPEAKER_00]: I probably wouldn't to some degree because I would hate to spoil it [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Look it up if you don't tell me. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I would rather you look it up the me say it to people who I've encouraged you to read the book because I think people should read the books. [SPEAKER_00]: They're so good. [SPEAKER_00]: But I would yeah, if you ask me a question, but the cool thing is I even at this point in the eight book, I'm still trying to figure out [SPEAKER_00]: The story which is cool like I know players.

15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I know things that are happening outside now I understand it, but I still don't fully grasp it and that's it's moving fun So the one thing that has not made me happy though is I don't care that phones listen to us I just I'm not a tin foil hat like I'm whatever I don't live my life being stressed out about that stuff but [SPEAKER_00]: If you're gonna know Google and Facebook and all these people that I'm reading, Dungeon Crawler, don't you put frickin' ads on my feeds that could potentially ruin a book? [SPEAKER_01]: 10% and I'm decorating the stuff you see on them like, that's not cool, I don't wanna see some of that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: For sure, so for like things that people sell, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that have the dungeon crawler stuff on it, but like there was there was a shirt where there was a comment or they were talking about something and I was like, it's weird.

16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't totally recall that. [SPEAKER_00]: But even if I had like some of that wasn't till later in the book. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, hmm, not a fan of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't spoil shit. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what F1. [SPEAKER_00]: They did it to me with F1. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I had to like go through my phone and say never ever show me anything F1 ever. [SPEAKER_00]: And now on race days. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't pick up my phone. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't want to be spoiled which beacon that we have raised this weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: We do Did you we've looked at the same notification at the same time because was that for race? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, was it was for Practice dogma practice Practice one starts in. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's really funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we both got at the same time. [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: That's this weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Fun race weekend [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, life's good, though, everybody's good.

16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Things are happening, so can't completely put here in that. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I feel like, is this going to be just a repeat of next last week? [SPEAKER_00]: How do we, how do we converse about path of exile? [SPEAKER_01]: And nothing has happened that is well, no, no, so they've had a couple of announcements. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, exciting. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's the opposite, but there actually was one good one. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they have, they do a lot of different videos. [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly, in the past it was like generic, making fun of RPG situations, you know, and we talked about them before. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I've heard some stuff they had a nice Dark Souls series that I really like so many of the guys that isn't the main guys So not anyway It's real people.

17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they all acted out. [SPEAKER_01]: So Viva Leder League did a Thing POE sponsored so if you click on that wait did I see this in discord? [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I saw this in discord [SPEAKER_01]: I'll watch it again at the same time as you if you watch it right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, you said, you said, I'll watch what? [SPEAKER_00]: All I heard was a stupid ad, thank you, but I did hear it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll watch it at the same time as you. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hold on then, let me get through the ad of, you know, if you're looking for BC and a masterful dark comedy of Wild Horse Nine. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, John Malkovich, I love him. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: It's our ads. [SPEAKER_01]: It's totally don't work on Justin. [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't work. [SPEAKER_01]: John Malkovich. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm hitting play right now then.

18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Five, four, three, two, one, go. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine a warrior with points and intelligence as they're walking off. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that was really fun. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, what would you say there were vehicles, that's sponsored? [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I'd try to say what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Of the diva, literally, we just watched ridiculous skill trees and purely. [SPEAKER_00]: I did see this posted in discord. [SPEAKER_00]: Super funny. [SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was really funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you're part of it too. [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, some of it's a, a little off like if you start as a warrior, you know, you obviously didn't pick up where they're starting, you know, they got some stuff a little off, but, um, I'll get, and, uh, you're not getting in on your first bit, but it was in, and we, point is, is P. We sponsored it.

19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what they said at the N. P. We sponsored it and so, um, you know, that's cool for the marketing thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're getting things rolling [SPEAKER_00]: And then, um, from the hate, that's a great thing for them to do as a sponsored event. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's had one and a half or 1.1 million views like, yeah, within how long, three days. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, two days. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So that is good. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, then GG has their Halloween micro transactions back out. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, for, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Normally, I'm here, no, there, whichever, but there are some skeleton pets. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the way you've been armed with.

19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I highly recommend to any listeners, check out the skeleton pets that you can get. [SPEAKER_01]: They have their arms waving in the air as you run around. [SPEAKER_01]: They are literally the best pets that you could buy in the game. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you can only get them at Halloween, they've been around for a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: We can only get them at Halloween. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think they've been around for a decade or six. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not really because they came out while we were having the podcast long time or how excited I was, but yeah, I've had them a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: They are the funniest pets. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was like the first funny pet they ever had. [SPEAKER_00]: I should get them. [SPEAKER_00]: Are they, do they go on sale at Halloween or they're only four sale? [SPEAKER_00]: They're only four sale on Halloween. [SPEAKER_01]: They actually have them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I think they do the same thing at Christmas, but of course, different ones.

20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool now they had a post just showing a tiny bit of the merch that they're gonna have I'm just looking at the merch now. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: Those look pretty cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Those actually look really cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the shirts. [SPEAKER_00]: Those look pretty sick. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fun. [SPEAKER_00]: There shall be a few shirts and couple socks and then they got a couple socks, couple shirts, looks like a beanie. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, it's like very cool though. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what would be cool, those headshot shirts with no path of Excel marking on it. [SPEAKER_00]: I know it makes no sense for them to make stuff without their logo. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It would be dumb for them not to put it on it, but for me, like the person who would want them, I would love to wear it and not have. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it also, [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a shirt, it's the waypoint shirt, and it apparently goes in the dark.

21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know it goes in the dark, but I have the waypoint path of Excel shirt. [SPEAKER_00]: I like that shirt because it has no path of Excel marking on it. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no logo, and if somebody knows what I'm wearing, [SPEAKER_00]: That is the coolest thing ever because they recognize the shirt because of something within the game not because they saw the logo You know For sure because I think you had a one time or somebody's like, oh, Pat the Vexel you play that and you're like, yeah, yeah, do you and they're like no, it's like, oh [SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about before? [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: So I ran into the individual at the bookstore that recognized Path of Exile last time. [SPEAKER_01]: So I had a second conversation with the individual when we were talking about Exile Khan, which is pretty cool.

22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of someone local. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least they know about it. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I thought the shirts would be really cool. [SPEAKER_00]: with no, like I, they're only showing the front thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like probably someone on the back or something, it prices, path of Excel too, but very cool design, I like it. [SPEAKER_00]: Very, I wonder if they're gonna sell stuff again like last time, where, oh, like, in waves? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, no, because afterwards I had extra stuff, right, so they started to sell it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's how it worked. [SPEAKER_00]: 60 new goodies. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're going to showcase them over the next two days. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Looking forward to it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of stuff that I like. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's reminding it's advertising, reminding people that the conventions coming, but you're not spoiling any content.

22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't take care of you. [SPEAKER_01]: Unless, of course, the image is something epic that you're waiting to review. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, they wouldn't do that. [SPEAKER_01]: But if you have 60 new things of merch, that we show up in, show a thing, show a, you know, it's such a great idea with a wand. [SPEAKER_01]: A smithic atoblweta with the wand. [SPEAKER_01]: It does warn you that you're going to tell a Joan take cash So I'll talk that I'm here to go now. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so yeah, I saw they did a patch [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just server maintenance. [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, are they get, they're not, they're not getting ready for anything. [SPEAKER_00]: We're waiting. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's on hold really until we get to Exile Scott because then they'll do the 3.3 thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious what it's like now, like let's say I play PoE and I like, oh shoot, you know what, this is a really good recommendation, so I put some something in their feedback.

23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're in like Exile Con mode, like I'm curious what they're, [SPEAKER_01]: What their setup is for, you know, are they taking feedback? [SPEAKER_01]: Is this just going on the back burner? [SPEAKER_01]: And then they catch up in a month kind of thing? [SPEAKER_01]: And curious what it would be like to provide feedback now. [SPEAKER_01]: How valuable it would be if it changes a game feedback, you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it's very useful right now. [SPEAKER_01]: No, well, but maybe they, I don't know, you know, maybe they have people that are going to be doing that the whole time through, maybe not in the past XL cons they said that like almost every employee was there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I would bet the gameplay of people playing at XL cons that would probably be good feedback for them. [SPEAKER_00]: They even, I remember Rory talking about it and Octavian talking about when we saw them in, see, I don't remember where we saw them.

24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: these events where they had people playing live was really good feedback for them because they were seeing what does the player experience what is their expectation as they're going through it. [SPEAKER_01]: So live testing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That would be fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would, oh, hang on, I got to take advantage of the mute button again. [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me. [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, yeah, not much has come out from GGG, but that Vivalager League was really cool to see. [SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say there's one other thing which was their early access announcement, full registration, sign up and unlock exclusive rewards. [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, people, we only need about three more million to sign up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's great. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're hitting these marks, but, you know, aim for the sky.

25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's interesting, like they ended up, like, what was it, like, 10 times more, the numbers that they were getting for their beta compared to their path of Excel one experience when they first started was an astronomical leisure, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So I could see how these numbers would easily be feasible in their minds, but yet at the same time, um, [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to kind of pick a lane whether you're going to be marketing lots or not a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: They first announced this in 2019, I believe it was. [SPEAKER_01]: When next Path of Excel 2 is coming out, you're finally coming to the date. [SPEAKER_01]: So who knows what the strategy is, but hopefully they have this strategy that, okay, we're in our final year, we know what we're doing.

25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the path that we're taking from marketing wise. [SPEAKER_01]: We're releasing this two weeks before, one and a half week, one week like they've got us. [SPEAKER_01]: like big stuff planned for the big hype because those kinds of public ladders need some help. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: My guess that Viva The Dirt League was it was a great way to get there. [SPEAKER_00]: My guess is that they will do a bunch of hype stuff as they're obviously after Excel Conas were leading up towards December. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that the whole idea of this registration, like I don't remember how they were asking for five million people, I think that that probably was a good thing [SPEAKER_00]: a long time ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just don't think people are registering for it to be told that there's a path of Excel to coming and I don't know that you're going to get a new person choosing to register without really understanding what MTXR and why do I care about this stuff.

26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So your hope is that just existing playerbase is going to do it, but even the existing playerbase knows when path of Excel to is coming. [SPEAKER_00]: So what else am I get? [SPEAKER_00]: If the thing is they created [SPEAKER_00]: And that's sort of the same idea of what you're registering for, but you're not getting anything out of it. [SPEAKER_00]: So like, I don't really, I'm registered, but I didn't, I only registered because, actually, I only registered because my son was like, Oh, I registered because you get a free sort or whatever it was that, yeah, you know, pdmt. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, people that know the game are understand why they're doing it. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're not registering because they want to find out more information about Path of Exile 2.

27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just registering because they know what an MTX is and they want to get them. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure that the numbers that they're hoping for, but yeah, I just don't feel like it's a probably a very [SPEAKER_00]: common useful thing anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was definitely a thing years ago when that was your a good way to find out about games coming out. [SPEAKER_00]: The fact is everybody has a, they're all connected to the, everything online, so that everybody knows when things are happening now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, newsletters are. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're unique now. [SPEAKER_00]: They're in that awkward thing of kind of old news. [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of thing, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I of course registered again, even though I was already registered. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to make sure that I was. [SPEAKER_01]: Make sure you get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Get up to that five million. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I get that email right away.

27:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's said to confirm I'd already been registered, you know, 100 million times. [SPEAKER_01]: I think throughout the beta process. [SPEAKER_01]: And but the email I got, it's up to date, but I hope it's not because it was kind of [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's one of those things where we're getting back into a null conversation, so I don't want to rehash it at all, but the email I got right after registering said, uh, ready or blades for the 1.0 full release on December 11th. [SPEAKER_01]: Sharp in your steel for an epic adventure this December's Path of XL2 launches its 1.0 full release introducing the long-awaited dualist class, which finally brings sorts to the game and offers different skill combinations to master. [SPEAKER_01]: And to me that was just so like featuring like one out of 12 thing, you know what I mean?

28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it just seemed like such a small thing to be excited for, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Like the exact same email they came out with the like months ago when they told us about it. [SPEAKER_00]: I do this. [SPEAKER_01]: So I know, but as you're getting closer to a full reveal, you don't want to say, oh, we're it's featuring this one very minor part of the game because it makes it seem like the rest of the announcement is going to be quite small. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, if you focus on something and you say like featuring one out of 12 classes and one base type out of 12 like that's that makes sound really small so hopefully that's just something that's outdated and they get to I'm I'm really excited to see what else they have in store obviously the the big focus has been the dualist and swords excited to see what else they're [SPEAKER_01]: For more of the big reveals and gameplay, and I'm curious to see what their path one announcement is going to be too.

29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think something's going to happen with path one where it's not just the League announcement. [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: What would be an idea in your network? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but path 2. [SPEAKER_01]: This is like their last big opportunity for path 1. [SPEAKER_01]: And bringing people back to both games. [SPEAKER_01]: This is like their big big big announcement. [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to get way more views than just a regular twitch or YouTube leak announcement. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think this is their opportunity to really be like, okay, we're like really setting the tone with past one here. [SPEAKER_01]: We've like these changes in past two, we're adding this to past one. [SPEAKER_01]: We've loved this with past one, we're doing this to past two. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think this is a really good opportunity if they were going to make any major long-term changes.

30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a really good opportunity to present them. [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, the only thing I'm curious about though is, and I hope they do, but I'm just curious do they take a risk with the path of Excel one league right before their big release of Path of Excel two out of beta, you know, like do you risk having a path of Excel one thing where you're introducing something so new that changes the game and it shifts things up. [SPEAKER_00]: uh, right with only one month ago, that's, that's at a point because if it doesn't go well, our people, I mean, the, the thing is, here's a truth. [SPEAKER_00]: If Path of Exile 1 absolutely blutcher is 3.3. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it really affects the path of Excel to numbers.

31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, no, no, kind of no matter how 3.3 goes. [SPEAKER_00]: The path of Excel to release is going to be well received. [SPEAKER_00]: It's at least going to be busy. [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a lot of people playing it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think their numbers are going to be great. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what that will mean for them afterwards will be remains to be seen, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like what content did they release and how much new stuff are we seeing in PUE2? [SPEAKER_00]: That'll change the longevity of how well it goes, but I think their actual release regardless of what happens at 3.3 is going to be a pretty big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess any announcements they make don't have to be for that specific one. [SPEAKER_01]: It could be like these are the long term classes. [SPEAKER_01]: What we're doing for the short league. [SPEAKER_01]: And then this is what we're planning for after Pewie Tuesdays been out for a while.

31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's our timestamps for when we're going to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: You never know right like there was a time where they cared more about their time stamps than the quality and then there was a time where they cared more about the quality than the time stamps and I mean they'll figure it out right beta's been Bays been nuts for them and we've made fun of them lots for you know the timing and all that kind of stuff and the time stamps they put on themselves, but they'll they'll figure it out and once that tune to comes back to months on to months off reach game comes back [SPEAKER_01]: Looking forward to seeing what the pattern will be and how the differences are. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious how many people are going to Excel, Con coming up that are not excited for path 2, and only care about path 1.

32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I will argue very, very strongly that even if you are a die hard path of XL1, that it is the game which you're not wrong, it is an, I don't think there's anyone out there that is not in some way excited for Path of XL2 even if and I know I've seen comments who are like, I'm never playing Path of XL2 Path of XL1 to my game. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe you. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that that I actually just don't believe that that's true, but father XL2 might not be your version of the game, but I don't know how you would not be excited for it because it will impact your game that you're playing right now, which is [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going for the 3.3 release.

33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait to find out what they're going to do with 3.3. [SPEAKER_00]: 3.3 zero. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's going to be a big hype train. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm super excited. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the [SPEAKER_00]: all of the activity than the buzz that's going to start as we get closer to it and as we come out of it for Path of Excel too. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Path of Excel 1's going to be for what's the word overshadowed a bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was an impressive stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you saw mid sneeze. [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say that's really impressive. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and then I snotted my nose right into it.

34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, I think how the VXL1 is going to be heavily overshadowed, not for anything they can control, which is, um, while forever and GT-A-6. [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that you have to... Oh, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: In the word map, it names that are happening. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think how the VXL1 gets overshadowed at its release, but I think POE2 is going to be, I think it's timing is good. [SPEAKER_00]: My only concern, if anything related to timing is just, I hope, [SPEAKER_00]: that it comes out in a way that they're staff can deal with any things they need to deal with within that like one and a half week we know they have before you want to like people time off for Christmas like we used to give them a heart or eyes to give them a hard time about about Christmas here's a whole bunch of new stuff see after two weeks yeah um so I hope they know that through [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know what though?

34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like the idea of a full-fledged free-to-play game coming out at the same time as GTA's coming out and that's a price hike Like it's one of those games that changes the industry standard for what an average game price is But those are used to do that GTA does it every time they raise the price by time, but I think the regular games like a hundred bucks. [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy And then of course, wow, it's always subscription based so it's it's cool to have that free-to-play game that's gonna be crazy hyped as well around that same time [SPEAKER_01]: it's that nice kind of dichotomy that does give people like those other two games don't interest me at all at all and so it's awesome that the company is releasing around that time despite the fact that other big titles are coming out this perfect for people like me [SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I forgot to say at the beginning of why I think they're going to come out with a big path of one change is Way that you remember what's three, but you remember when the original point three came out three point okay, no [SPEAKER_00]: for some reason.

35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why. [SPEAKER_01]: That's when they came out with x, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's right. [SPEAKER_01]: That's when they came out with like a change hell to like there's a lot of things. [SPEAKER_01]: That was a big, I think that was that long ago. [SPEAKER_01]: It has now been coming up to, because it's coming up to 3. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, 30 leagues, right? [SPEAKER_01]: We're in 2.29, 2.9, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't can a system even do another 3.0. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you think they're coming out. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's coming out because you I think you're actually I don't I don't know the coding behind it, but I think you're actually limited like you can't actually call it Maybe it doesn't change anything with how they code anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that I don't a lot of talk Go, but I like I think I don't think you're going with two 3.0's [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what's your 3.0, what do you mean?

36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this one's going to be 30.0, 3.3. [SPEAKER_01]: 3.0 was like 100 years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then 3.1, 1, 3.2, now we're at, what? [SPEAKER_01]: 3.29. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, I guess, now we're going to, what, 3.30? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to think you're going to 4.0. [SPEAKER_00]: So I love your thinking. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that idea. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be, I think that would be cool. [SPEAKER_00]: If they were like, hey, we're not coming up with 3.3. [SPEAKER_00]: We're dropping Path of Excel 1, 4.0. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't even imagine, I can't think that they would do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Because it only because, [SPEAKER_00]: What in my own, just to my personal opinion, what a waste because you would be going one month before your big, what you're really focused on, which is this POE 2's release, getting out of beta, and at a time where you're competing with names you can't compete with, so, like, it would suck because you'd, [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I hope that they do something fun.

37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I don't know how much it would change whether it's gonna have decent numbers because they're up against. [SPEAKER_00]: to, they're just, they're two really strong names. [SPEAKER_00]: And I know people are gonna listen, I've already seen this in other comments. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, who care about Will for a run care about GT6? [SPEAKER_00]: Fine, I get it, you don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, there's a very large amount of people that do. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, and as a company for income, you wanna time when that comes. [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta think about that, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's gotta come into play. [SPEAKER_00]: I love the idea, because you're right, like, when does the 3.x stop and become a 4.x now? [SPEAKER_00]: God, that would be nuts, though, if they did that.

38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The excellent ones, the great place to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: I did a great time for the one month before, but at some point, as a company, as well, you gotta kind of shrug your shoulders and be like, we just gotta do it. [SPEAKER_00]: What would even be the thing, like, I've never, I don't even know what went from two, what, when did they switch from the two point X to the three point X, but like, how many leagues it was? [SPEAKER_00]: I got to look like how many, yeah, how many leagues did we do [SPEAKER_00]: that the change to the three was massive. [SPEAKER_00]: Like when we became the three point X, there were so much that changed in the game. [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't even imagine. [SPEAKER_01]: if they did that now for a four point next so they got to so yeah that's so this is this is kind of I mean I guess they were only in threes right so yeah it's only like three biggies but they were in zero points right they had onslaught in anarchy in beta [SPEAKER_01]: and then four, they had one, two, oh, no, those are two close together.

39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, and then they didn't start the three months on three months off for a bit. [SPEAKER_01]: So they got to 1.3, and then they went to 2.0, and then they got to 2.6. [SPEAKER_01]: 2.6 is zero, like 2.6, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So they had six leagues, and then they went to three. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, Tup, they had three leagues. [SPEAKER_01]: No, sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: They had invasion and ambush both were 3.1 beyond and rampage were 3.2. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, those are the same early states. [SPEAKER_01]: So they just came out with two leagues at the same time. [SPEAKER_01]: And then bloodlines and torment came out at the same time. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they had three leagues for 1.0.

40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Then they had six leagues for 2.0. [SPEAKER_00]: But they weren't on the three on three after in 2.0, were they? [SPEAKER_01]: They started three on three off at 2.1. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they had a five month span between war bands and talisman that was 2015 from July to December. [SPEAKER_01]: And then from July, sorry, from December to perandest talisman to perandest, that was December to March. [SPEAKER_01]: 2015 to 2020. [SPEAKER_01]: So we've been in and then went to three months, every month, three months, three months, three months. [SPEAKER_01]: So since the very beginning of 2016, it's been three months on three months off, until, of course, [SPEAKER_01]: 3.0, so remember that 6 leagues with 2.0, right, stopped at 2.6 and then went 3.0, 3.0 is 2017 with Harbinger.

40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the introduction of 3.0. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Harbinger was, and that was a cool league. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Abyss, Bestiary, Incursion. [SPEAKER_00]: Can you see what the league was that came out after the first Excel Con, which would have been November 2019, I think, is when the first November 2019 was metamorph. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was December 2019 was metamorph. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the one that came out. [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the 3.9. [SPEAKER_01]: But I remember the comments of that. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, so what's going to happen? [SPEAKER_01]: We're at 3.9. [SPEAKER_01]: People are thinking, oh, power of Excel 2 is going to be because you can't go at 3.1, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But then they went 3.10. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the same kind of thinking that I was doing here with, well, you can't go back to 3.3 because you already out of 3.3. [SPEAKER_01]: You can't go 3.10.

41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but they already did that with 3.10. [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, 3 leagues with 1 6 leagues with 2 point and now they have done 29 leagues under 3 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is. [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they've just committed to the three. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they should just it's kind of like remember when Call of Duty they're at like Call of Duty 6 or 7 or whatever it was and then they just started calling it Call of Duty and then they started over with Call of Duty 1 and 2. [SPEAKER_00]: They should just start doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm curious if they ever try to get out of the three point whatever because how would you what would you use to justify the need to change it to four?

42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, adding dodge roll. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't even imagine, oh man, first off, yeah, the usual I don't think is ever coming up out of Excel 1, but I don't know what would ever change it to 4.0, but I would be shocked if they used Excel Con to make some massive change to POE 1. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be really surprised. [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I would be a tiny bit... [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know devil's advocate or just a little bit just to be a turd and just say it I'd be like it. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would I would kind of wonder like is that why we only have one class for period two. [SPEAKER_00]: This is why we only have swords. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean legit and it's not fair That's not fair at all.

42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've just said no. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you don't want to be a turd, but at the same time How they've released stuff and how they've kind of well how they balance it. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been able to keep up with the [SPEAKER_01]: not something that I would be picking is yeah exactly right and you're hoping for the best and you can wait till the full full game is out but could you yeah like could you imagine if Adex Alcon they actually only come out with one class one base type for path 2 and then they have a huge like four period one [SPEAKER_00]: I think there would be people that would be happy because I think Path of Exile 1 is such a great game. [SPEAKER_00]: It has been for a very long time, but in such a good base state.

43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we may disagree on some things. [SPEAKER_00]: You may not like some things. [SPEAKER_00]: I may not like some things, but overall, Path of Exile 1 game is phenomenal. [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a good game. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really good state. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so. [SPEAKER_00]: I just path of Excel 2, I'm okay with Path of Excel 2 taking some time to get there. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think what I'm doing right now is I'm just telling myself that all we're getting is the dualist in the sort so that I want to be, I want to be, I want to be. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving them the opportunity to, you know, surprise me, versus me being let down, because I think it is probably going to be just dualists and soared, even though that is not what I'm truly hoping for.

44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what we're going to see as we roll out into December's release. [SPEAKER_00]: My hope is not for long, though. [SPEAKER_00]: I just hope that we're not too long before they start. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't want, I don't want them to wait for every league because then you're waiting, well, it's four months between leagues, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So like, yeah, I don't want to wait exactly if you don't come out with it on league launch, you are committing to once every four months releasing something. [SPEAKER_00]: The way that they do it for sure, because they are so weird about how does it disrupt the market and trade and blah blah blah. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you always want to introduce a new class or a new base type in the middle of the league, man, there's probably some problems. [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably not going to happen.

45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to wait four months between big things. [SPEAKER_00]: So my hope is that there's more stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: with Pyre 2, because also, if the dualist is the only new thing, then that's the only new thing to try. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't, that's not going to hold me for four months. [SPEAKER_00]: So I know there's more stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm anticipating that ExcelCon is going to really open up some of the things that are going to come with the December release, because I just can't imagine it's just dualist and swords, because that does not appeal to your entire audience. [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not a gameplay that I'll ever play. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know the trails, you don't look like, no, true, but if I'm like pure minion.

45:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, the amount of times that I played with their mentality of a dualist down south was very rare and it was only because the champion had some decent ally. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: Notable. [SPEAKER_01]: Which again, you could happen. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't even know what their ascending things are going to look like so. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's going to be three of them for the dualist, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And then another assumption it is a safe assumption of course, but to give the benefit of the doubt exalcon. [SPEAKER_01]: isn't the end all be all for the official December release, it's just news, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And what if they want there to be a lot of surprises for the actual release of the game, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Excel cons awesome for marketing and coming out with announcements and getting people hyped, but so it's fun, like they like having their surprises too, right?

46:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you hide a whole class? [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I don't think so. [SPEAKER_01]: Only had three new classes that you could advertise at Xalcon and everybody's totally so, it's like you're playing like the complete opposite of marketing, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: You're only advertising the dualist right away. [SPEAKER_01]: But then now all of a sudden you have three other classes that you reveal at Xalcon. [SPEAKER_01]: But then there's actually six coming out with the official game. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, that kind of stuff's from. [SPEAKER_00]: I could see them trying to hold some stuff for the release, but we've seen it in the past. [SPEAKER_00]: The numbers for how many people watch Xalcon, like live, is they never, ever experienced numbers like that.

47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Even on their announcement thing as we go up to a new league and they do these. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what's coming with 3.29 or blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have even, like the numbers that Xalcon draws for people watching, [SPEAKER_00]: you could not pick a better time to promo some new cool things. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, my hope is at least we see one extra class, one extra class at XLCon and it's not just the dualist at only because you can't play the dualist promo at XLCon. [SPEAKER_00]: We've all seen it, it's been, you know, like that's not new, that's not exciting now. [SPEAKER_00]: So even though we've played it, it's like, I know you guys are going to get to play at XLCon.

47:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But I really, I just can't wait for POE mobile. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm going. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, just burn your phone. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited that you'll get to try it, but I'm hoping that there will be more than just the dualist to play when you get there. [SPEAKER_00]: Or like new, new eyes. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm probably my fingers that they know, they have the same definition of full release as I do. [SPEAKER_01]: I swear to God, if you say, they're playing the minimum, I know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: And if they're just like, hey, check out the dualist. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, check out the dualist. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, check out the dualist. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they come to do now. [SPEAKER_01]: every thing is out. [SPEAKER_00]: Well now you'd be excited about that because I asked you that and you were like yeah social and I wanted to reach through this screen and just pop your head.

48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think yes I do agree that would be cool I don't think it's gonna happen [SPEAKER_00]: And my hope is that ExcelCon, I think that is the best chance for them ever to get the height building for it, although timing wise, I actually don't really know how that plays out. [SPEAKER_00]: If we're in, you're gonna be the first we can November for ExcelCon. [SPEAKER_00]: It's right at the same time we have two major gains releasing and you're releasing your 3.30 or whatever, maybe 4.0. [SPEAKER_00]: If that's what they're going with. [SPEAKER_00]: But is that too early to start your hype for the December release? [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of think so. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you need something that is going to get exciting and get you excited.

49:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think you're going to see my just guess what I would be thinking is like the last week and a half to weeks in November. [SPEAKER_00]: is when they start ramping it up. [SPEAKER_00]: As you get towards that three week window before the release, I think that's when they start ramping up. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: I like that idea of using exalcon to start off the big marketing train. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really looking forward to seeing what else they have. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Super fun. [SPEAKER_00]: We got what two more weeks before XLCon. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what we're out now? [SPEAKER_00]: Barely. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it? [SPEAKER_00]: And two weekends it is legit. [SPEAKER_00]: Fun. [SPEAKER_00]: So we only have one more normal episode then before it.

49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: And then we found a headset for me to use while I'm there. [SPEAKER_00]: We will try to be releasing an episode while Tyler right after the event. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we'll chat about that next week, but that's the plan. [SPEAKER_00]: That is sweet men, let's wrap this up forever Excel. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what episode 3-6-7, just naked tags, Tyler record of this. [SPEAKER_00]: Patrons will catch you after dark everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next week. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a website forever Excel.com. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a very fun discord pop and say hello. [SPEAKER_00]: Patrons are the way to support podcasts. [SPEAKER_00]: Find them everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great week. [SPEAKER_01]: Aders. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait, no.