Scaring Blizzards?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I didn't welcome to Forever XL, I'm just NakedTex, and now I'm Tyler Recker of Days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is episode 363 of our podcast together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 363, what's that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: discord discord that's a really big help like we really do appreciate that discord if you're not part of our discord you should pop in there say hello we have a lot of fun in there people are obviously playing a lot of the games that we're playing and it's a great community but the the boosting actually helps us keep the fun stuff that discord likes to charge about load of money if you want to enjoy which is like what are they the rules you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we do appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for boosting the server and it's a big help.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How's your week buddy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice shirt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look a little wet real side because holy crap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's been finally raining, which is really nice and nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's been good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's funny because I go outside and like we've had our dog now for nine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's 10 months.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like eight months, maybe, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we got him in March.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, and so we've had for all but it's been basically sunny since we got him like it might have been raining when we had it, but he doesn't really have time like it was just a tiny bit of for the first couple of weeks and then it's literally just been sun since he's been around so now we're going for walks and it's raining and sometimes pretty hard and

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was curious what he would be like because my other dog Riley hated, hated, hated the ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if there was a puddle, she'd little, she'd walk around it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess she wasn't just a dog who'd do the, and we have Mr. Big Dufus now going on upstairs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's, like he wouldn't know if there's broken glass.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He wouldn't even know if he stepped on and he's just lumbering off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, we're walking in the rain and it's hilarious, it's like he's a puppy, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like everything's brand new to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So instead of being like all awkward, you know, a typical city dog, kind of thing in the rain, his nose is in there, his eyes are getting splashed in the new smells that he's getting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's like he just loves it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The whole time, like we'll go for a 30 minute walk in the rain and his nose is pointing up and sniffing the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, freaking crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but the thing that came up so bought something from a couple store, a love store, whatever, the family appropriate term that you have for it, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes those things come like, you know, whatever, you buy it, you buy it, but then sometimes when they show up and we normally buy from the same place, but when we sometimes it come, like you don't know the packaging is going to come in, they're delivery package fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's going to sell in the front steps, no problem, the kids can bring it in inside, but after you open it up, you have no idea what that packaging is going to look like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so anyway, I was dealing with that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of them had quite a provocative cover on it,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever, so I, you know, hide it under the blanket or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm dealing with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Put the things away that I got and then I forgot about the box.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not the outside one, but the provocative one and I'm like, all of a sudden I go to bed and like it was covered like I had it covered in case the kids came in while I was dealing with stuff and then forgot about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I came to bed like six, seven hours later, the box is in a totally different spot and covered by something else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh no, that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, and my son, like, he's more of a, like, a mom was boy than he is a dad boy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like, he'll tell her things and that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a couple of times, once last night where he was like, hey mom, can I talk to you for a second of my room?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, this is what I'm thinking about after in retrospect, so I messaged Aaron and I'm like, oh, man I really hope he didn't see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't need that crap on their head yet, and Apparently he didn't but and she was the one that moved it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, but man

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[SPEAKER_03]: But scared to crap out of me like all I didn't find out if he did or didn't until the morning so I'm but he still could have I just can't believe I forgot it so like this morning that was why I was late I remember to vote it because I was like it was pouring rain last night by the time I went to bed and I'm like I don't want to hear that so I covered it up put it in a drawer thing and then in the morning today I was dealing with it forgot about it again and I didn't want to do with that

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but we get the kids to do like the garbage tours and all that all the time, so I don't want to just huck it in the garbage and then they go to throw the next garbage thing and they're like that way down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, no, so I have to go in there and I'm like covering it, well, I've got to like basically gift wrap it and something before I put it back in the garbage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, that's why I was late today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for your patience, but it was more That wasn't something I was willing to wait another wait on sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no It's been good the kids have been like what was this week to a school?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They already have a TV day obviously because it's been too full.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, so school that's that's right I'm for bit they probably haven't even had some other classes yet, but yeah, but yeah, ProD day today, so they're just chilling

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a well-earned record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A well-earned record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, my son at least was stressed because he's starting middle school.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he was unsure about what he was like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How'd they go?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty good though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got one of his good buddies in there and some of his older buddies from other grades are in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's doing really well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's a nervous kid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really nervous kid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we, um, but to the point where like he's been spiralling a lot and we haven't really been able to, uh, I agree able to help him out and we give him good advice, but for it to really sink in, we haven't, it's tough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's been turning more combat of than everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we haven't, uh, he's gone to a couple therapy sessions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, which is really helped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to continue doing that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's within

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's all all been good and great and he's been doing his flag football and I forgot to sign violet up for for fighting classes, but No, things have been good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been enjoying their year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm at both of their new teachers yesterday and

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the rain has come, so it's been good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How's your, how's your back?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How's work?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my back's stupid, I'm Monday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually doing nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Typically I have a cool story like I picked a piece of paper or I turned left or something, you know what that happened?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in my bed dealing with an email, not moving.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and all of a sudden it felt like my back, my, like, from the middle of my back up to my neck, it felt like somebody was just crunched it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all of a sudden just, I don't know what happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, I've been in pain all week from it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been every single day to see train work on my back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was there this morning and, um, yeah, it's just stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing drugs can't handle, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: At least not drinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to find some

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[SPEAKER_02]: the week was good it was really busy trying to think what we did we did obviously the meet the teachers but our kids are at three different schools right now so it's like every single school had meet the teacher this week which was awesome um

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking to see if there's anything fun because that's what I do and now I mean it was good week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We watched the we finished Reacher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did I tell you that last week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah because you were you hadn't finished it though you hadn't finished it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah okay so we finished Reacher my least favorite season for sure yeah yeah it was it was fine but I didn't I didn't get the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there were too many parts where they just

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't make sense to me, but if it's fine, it was a good watching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now we are currently starting up house of the dragon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the, okay, yeah, the Targaryen game thrones, pre thing fire and ice, I don't know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, so we, uh, good description.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You sold me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in, I had heard about it, but it's not something we ever got into, but we both enjoyed game of thrones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we are, I think we just are finished or almost finished the first season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot to keep up with because it's so different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Game of Thrones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the total timeline is for game of thrones, but it feels like it's like a year to five years like from beginning to end, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not a huge gap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe ten years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This one is every episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're jumping sometimes six years, sometimes ten years, like so it's progressing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: at a very fast pace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so it's been a little bit to try and just get used to that, but once or good, good and then worth the work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you failed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a World Warcraft forever and I'm playing it and it is so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At least it is fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just reminds me of when I first played it like forever ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's simplified, it's the basic version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looks great and it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a more fun version of what I originally played.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm playing in PvP, so it's open-world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: PvP is enabled and a couple of our friends are playing as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've had so much fun, so if there's people playing wild forever, you just send me a message on Discord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do some dungeons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, man, it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having so much fun playing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and it's awesome, because I don't have anything else I want to play right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in a beta, though, it comes out November something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's gonna be another beta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's a beta, and it's like the new things gonna be like no more full releases.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't like the beta way with anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Their thing is a seven, seven week beta, like their beta is very short.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind betas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think what I've definitely stood away from is early access.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have definitely played a lot of early access games, but oh, I guess that's technically what past two is, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, keep calling it beta, basically access.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's probably only because World of Warcraft doesn't have the early access type things, but it wouldn't make sense for this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely just a beta as they're going to reach.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So no valid comparisons between the games.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Different stages, different states.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it compares into like the normal version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Early access.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, heoe2 is early access versus this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not the same at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the biggest difference, I guess, is then the beta and wow, they're just

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[SPEAKER_02]: restricting your level like so you capped at 20 this week and then I think it goes up to 30 next week but it doesn't even make a difference because it is a very long process to level all the way up in the original version of World of Warcraft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that's what I kind of like about it, like it's just the leveling is so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having so much fun just doing the normal leveling

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember really enjoying the process.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I ever really even, I can't remember being fully, 60, capped out in World of Warcraft, classic, like when it was originally, oh, I don't remember that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do remember being like 40 and PvP and Taren Mill or Torn Mill or whatever it's called.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember doing that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was super fun, so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I played it and it was so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good, I'm glad it was though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to fail, fail, font fail for real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I got a cheap one because I'm like, well, I don't know if I'm going to enjoy this, but I want to try it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I wanted a mouse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted like a hat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the, this is the most that I used to have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you can see this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the most that I used to have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a really nice mouse, but I let my kids use it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's connected to the other computer and now I didn't want to take it away So I bought myself a cheap version of that mouse because I was like, I'm not spending 150 bucks on a mouse again Sure, so I bought 35 dollars version for myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hey, I'll possibly feel it feels fine I don't care cuz I just press buttons on it I just wanted something that had the side buttons on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know like for my thumb.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm no man I can't do the whole one two three four piano thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can barely do it in a Path of Exile so mm-hmm

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, good week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Works been super busy, but it's been chill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Relax, watch some TV, and then work them aback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you play any pad effects all this week?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's nothing to do in both sides.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they really,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're really off their pace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they're on their pace though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much they probably have going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got Exile Khan, you got three, three, you've got the release of Path of Exile too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's on Lair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know if it's not there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they think with 0.5.5, they're like, they go, we give it to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but they didn't come out with anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, it was just really like, oh crap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, let's throw some rituals together and I mean, who knows how long that was planned for or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, it doesn't seem like it, but like there's literally nothing to talk about, but I did play lots, but it was the same too, too, too, too, too, too, not I didn't actually play lots, I theory crafted lots, I finished the campaign finally, on which character do you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, the Smithicotava that I had, and that I was doing, so, I mean, the builds changed a lot

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what my original idea was, but it was the idea was it was all going to be a mini-entry, right, and then all my defense was going to be smithic atop, and I want to see if that would work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I wasn't impressed with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so then I start playing with other ideas, but then I go back to the smithic atop, just because you know, that's where my build is, and so I'm like, okay, well, let's see if this idea will work for a different sentence to your starting point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll send them like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is, this actually feels good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Smith at the top, you know, like I bounced back and forth from, oh, this is really weak, you know, like I take way too much damage from a hit on something to, oh, this actually feels really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That probably would have really hurt on any other character and I'm like, right, and I keep bouncing back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, at the end of the day, I was, it's, it's tough for me because I keep finding that no matter which character I choose, I'm, it's like the same thing all the time, and what is what do you mean I'll see in the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, in path 1, I always want to play the same way, but I felt like the build was different just based on how the skills interacted with the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if I was doing gallums versus zombies, or if I was doing the Reaper versus zombies, my place dial itself, how I set my character up is exactly the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing my stat stick stuff where I'm making sure all my resistance defenses are fine no matter what I do, what I get with, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my tree is almost almost the same based on

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, that it's a minion based for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gollum's change it a little bit, but for the most part, it's the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then how I move and interact the types of defenses that I like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all the same, but based on how the skills interact with the game, like how the Reaper was and how you set that up versus zombies versus,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gollums like it was all very different.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And for some reason that had a really cool variety to me and I could play map after map after map with that little variance and for some reason that felt very different to me Despite the fact that I was doing the same thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But in path 2 no matter how much I change the skills, I feel like I'm doing the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like, but they're still very different.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if that's a me thing, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just being all like huffy because I haven't been a fan of the early access process, you know, maybe I'm still being a little child about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe it is just the skills for some reason feel the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't really put my finger on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think part of it is like something like for example zombies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love the idea of zombies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The temporary minions that don't use up any spirit and they're crazy powerful.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really powerful.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The empowered ones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then I look at like health stats, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so maybe I don't care about

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[SPEAKER_03]: Empowered zombies, and I just go for regular zombies, then I don't have to go through all this huge ordeal revolving around power charges, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Power charges, like just to get Empowered zombies, your whole builder evolves around it, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You see, though, you turn your skeletons into corpses, and then you use profane ritual, and then you get your power charge and then you cast your zombies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or you go the other route where you're getting infusions, elemental infusions, and when you consume an elemental infusion, you gain a power charge, but then that's a whole cuffuffle with how you gain your elemental infusions with a minion build, with a minion build.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you know, you go through all this effort, but it is worth the damage, but it's just it's all work on a regular basis.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no It's just it's just a lot of paying attention to, but of course the game rewards you for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really strong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then I could just be like, well, I could just use ball lightning and living lightning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's my temporary minions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I could just like save all myself that work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to go out of my way at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And all I do is ball lightning,

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the, I'm just curious, you said there's my temporary minions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it because you feel like you need to have temporary minions?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so when I'm clearing, there's stuff that I'm doing and I'm interacting a lot more, but in a boss fight, I'm not as much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so when I have a lot more time to be vulnerable before something big happens, because things are a lot more telegraphed, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas when you're clearing it for me, because I don't know, to know that kind of stuff, especially when it's flashy,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't really have a lot of flashy while I'm I'm zoning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like things to be like all restrict myself even to skills that aren't overly flashy, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, yeah, so, but anyway, like it's nice to have that bonus damage when it's available, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just have that one skill that maybe is almost never used, but then you get that opportunity where you're like, man, I really should be doing something else right now to help this fight along.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where the temporary minion thing will come in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I always just succumb to the living lightning because, yeah, sure, it's a lot less damage, but it's, it's easy, like I literally don't have to change anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can just have an extra skill that I never use.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a button for it whenever I want it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that just makes, like, my decision making always ends up becoming the same thing, just because of the amount of effort one thing takes versus how easy another one is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's not really a lot of other variety for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything else cost spirit, all the other passive minions cost spirit, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like including raging spirits, poisonous swarm, those all cost spirit, and then add up depending on what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, I'm still doing the same tree where it's, I love the idea of minion instability and then Brute's on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've, Brutes to me have been a wonderful surprise.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really said this last week, but yeah, like they've always seemed really, really weak.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think I gave them enough of a shot because they're cool down for like their big AoE smash and then the shockwave that comes from it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: heavy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is, it's really good and they stun a lot, which is really nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What is the cool down, you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, according to, no, it's not in the guess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's not in the game, but according to path of building, it's four seconds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you, can you change their cool down or not?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, so I was looking into that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The cool down reduction support gems, I forget what they're called.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They say does not affect skills of minions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's too bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It should.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It would be nice to have all that variety able to be intertwined.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or do you reach in a lot of your time?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're wasting a support spot for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that seems like it's an instead of damage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am choosing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do find a lot of the times that I'm trying to theory craft.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's...

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just a lot of restrictions that show up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that it's not a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's restrictions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then as I was looking into the tags of these skills, I came into the same problem that I came into with zombies when they originally had the slam as part of the default skill, but also the

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Reaper in Path 1 has like four different skills it uses, but they all have different tags, some of AOE, some don't, some are considered melee, some are not, and then so there's just a whole but like it was just a real, there's very few supports you could use for the Reaper that would actually impact every single skill.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's actually the same with the brute.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's the basic attack, there's the initials, then there's the four-second cooldown slam, and then there's the shockwave, and all three have very different texts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's coming into the same problem as Path 1 where it's like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one of these is a hit, but one of them isn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So do I, I can't use rage with this one because rage on the impacts hits or this one on the impacts melee, but this one's technically not melee, it's only an attack.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was actually quite frustrating to try and scale as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, but I've been enjoying the idea, add mixture wasn't very powerful, but still doing bleed and poison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: on them has been enjoyable, they just don't stun us often, so that's been fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, one tree, all my skeletal warriors die, and then the other tree, my roots live.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was able to find a way to make it so that when I swapped my roots that have all the minion survivability, they, I have not sacrificed any damage notes on the tree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they still have the same damage percentage on the tree with survivability than my skeletons

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and the one thing I was going to say earlier, though, it's completely irrelevant now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do minions, not, I can't, but I don't do minions, stability was zombies because skills of warriors have more base life, and they have like an auto-res, right, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So why would I bother with corpses with something as less life for something for me than stability?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, that's all the stuff that I'm mulling around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then I get there and if I feel, if I'm in that mood where the smithicatava is quite weak, in my brain, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not saying that it is maybe it's really strong and there's no comparison for me so how would I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going through, and if I'm in the mood where I feel like the smithicatava is weak, I start feeling like, okay, well, what is it that I just, like, that's just a play for fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Screw the stats, screw everything, what do I like?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously just, what is it that you think

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[SPEAKER_03]: Seriously, in in Dark Souls 2, it was my favorite that greater lightning strike or whatever was just stack up the scrolls you get like a hundred and ten of your whole thing was the one that went like above you and around you remember the one that all that well I did really like that one that was in all three of them I and I actually really enjoyed it, but yeah, I really like you like me so

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we're aiming towards minions, but we got stuck on my curses.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like you and your curses though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is just and it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got rid of a cluster just for nine points, nine points, it's crazy how much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's not just slowing, it's not just in feeble, which is huge, because it's like it's just global hit mitigation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But you should see what happens to a boss health bar when you have elemental weakness doing negative 55 resists.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you have exposure doing negative 49.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All that combined and then you have 12 skeletons exploding around a boss, the boss health bar just disappears.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so tough to ignore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure happens like once every six seconds, but man, it's nothing like chunking a boss.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just think that there's so, I don't know, there's too many points you have to put into them in too much effort to make them that good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, they're just really good, simple, supportive thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something, yeah, I'm happy with getting that 10 or 15% effect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's just something extra and I'm not doing much for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just found that the more I tried to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: invest into the curses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One, I unless I was using blasphemy, it was not worthwhile to me because I wasn't using I didn't curse enough at all during clearing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I almost ever cursed, even with any of my builds in POE2 that have used curses during clearing because it's so much easier to build up the damage to make sure you clear the screen than it is to build up the curse efficiency and the strength of a curse to then use later, but then the mobs not alive long enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But outside of the boss, you're you're you're there's so much better benefit you can get out of just going damage I know I'm not talking just minions specifically just to know for sure for sure, so And I don't disagree like we talked about that You were you know when we were talking about CI and then you were talking about well, why don't you don't do this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's a lot of notes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You could use just for this and so I've gone and I have been in my spreadsheet Justin like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Crazy, it's been phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's that picture of the guy walking with his girlfriend and looking back at the other girl?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is definitely you with curses like and the girl that's beside you is like happiness and endgame and completing the whole POE 2 and you're like, no, don't hold on curses over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is I don't know what it is about even in past one even in follow three even it doesn't matter the game I like going here have this cookie and then it poisons them, but they're dying slowly and you just run around dancing and you're like That's a bleed and what is it for though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know so the curse for hanging on

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[SPEAKER_03]: kids are getting their chores done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're out of stage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're doing their chores on solicited just so they can get like, they get it done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they can get there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, hey, can we watch TV when we're done our chores?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that we're out of stage where we don't have to be like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, that'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, all the other day, this is fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I will get back into a purely insect, but the other day I was saying something around the dinner table and it sounded like my wife goes by echo online, like I go by record, and so she, well, I mean, you know that that was for them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I said something that sounded like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, what does Echo want?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I was saying something else, but sorry, the vaccines in the background for a sec.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I was saying something else, but it sounded like Echo was a separate word, and it kind of made sense in a different way, but I forget what it was, without saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she looked at me like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't call me Echo, no, no, no, no, no, no, I said this and it all ended all made sense, but then it was joking like a contragues come out to play.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, we were talking about the rest of the party day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We echoed and record.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I know we're going to go back to the back of the vex album, but I just want to bring one thing up because I thought I was funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get back into your what do you like curses?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was playing World of Warcraft and I thought of you so many times while I was playing through it and probably the most that gave me joy and made me laugh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe it's just a difference in the types of games and you're such a realize maybe things aren't as bad when you're playing one game with versus another, but holy crap, when you talk about like, I'm holding a big mace, an enemy's right in front of me, how could I miss them?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me talk about playing melee in World of Warcraft, Miss Miss Perry Dodge, like

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[SPEAKER_02]: it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just made me think of you because I was laughing at this idea of how you hate accuracy and accuracy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think of the thing in a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how it works because I can't think of a stat I've ever gotten that increase of accuracy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the amount of times I would miss swinging a two handed maze and the mob's right in front of me made me think of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's really funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's curses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you say?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What were you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What about curses?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, you just, like, I just, it's, it's, it's nice debuffing the enemy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's the risks because an enemy that's not debuffed, yeah, you're completely vulnerable to, but I, I, I love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so are you still all invested in curses then on this guy?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not it's only nine nodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's only nine nodes and so it's not it's bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you had a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, we were different because I was going for AOE as well and that's huge when you're clearing especially when you have like a huge AOE that's taken up half the screen and then you have hex bloom on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the second someone dies it spreads and it spreads kind of like contagion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's really nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I did find that hex bloom was just a pain in the butt because

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't paying attention to me as much as I was paying attention did that spread where did it go and and like because that three meter radius Awesome, but Sometimes you're like how okay, how did that not happen?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It may not happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It means it's right so I actually just found that it's just better to cast it twice or three times as much just get it there and so what I I've actually found my survivability with this stuff and so I've been playing around like I've respect my

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[SPEAKER_03]: Warrior a billion times now and I've been I've been having so much fun with it like I've I'm going through and I'm almost not dying at all I'm like I'm actually doing really well and I'm enjoying it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just Didn't do what I was expecting it to do I guess you could say I was expecting more from it or with the with the average amount of Expectancy the warrior was giving me I like I may as well just do what I want instead, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, well, isn't the only thing you lost about giving you maybe survivability?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's like giving you anything damn much, but a survivability you don't notice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm immune to crits.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, when would I ever know if that's working or not?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's awesome, sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the other one?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No damaging ailments.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I have 400% ES on that tree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if I'm just doing all energy shield stuff, sure, my biggest body armor is normal as opposed to big, but 400 EES is still going to give me like 6,000 EES at the end of the day and that's with a normal body armor and like that's that's huge, but I'm now I'm immune to bleed poison and burning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like that's that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's probably going to get way way stronger as I go forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if there's that little thing or it's like, but Tyler, why aren't you cursing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler, why aren't you doing this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I did find my survivability as I was playing around with things if I completely ignored living lightning and the only button that I hit while my minions are doing their thing is my curse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I only use one curse while I'm clearing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like everybody's cursed all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just paying attention to it and it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I don't do living lightning and or I only save that for boss battles or like the longer rare battles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the thing that was maybe it's not, I don't know, like, I know I'm kind of rambling here, but maybe the thing that was disappointing me with the Smithicotava was that I'm used to minion instability destroying bosses, like that negative 100 to elemental resist is crazy strong for on everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know everything's going to die and die quickly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, that's awesome, but I do not get that with a Smithic atop, but because I'm not going curses, and I don't have all that extra bonus stuff, so it's just that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I even love like the extra spirit, let's me play around with a little bit more stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I get a little bit more support.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that just because I was so sure just and I have my build I was ready to restart and you were talking about endgame and I'm like You know what endgame interests me so little that I'm actually fine to do the campaign again and restart Just so that but just so that I can get like there's no There's no that that I may as well be the Smith of the Katava right then I'm not getting the starting was but but my point is

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[SPEAKER_03]: there's those quests that you get that give you permanent stats that you can choose decks or lightning resist or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nowhere in the game that really tells you what you've chosen for that as far as I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's like, how do you know if you've gotten that quest done with the exception of going into the world map, but that's clunky.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there is no such passives like we know what you've chosen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That, I assume you just have to remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I just like that question where you pick the fountain or whatever, like you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only one you would know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where you can go back to the seven pillars and change your choice, yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like there's other ones too, where it's like, and there's the charm one that you can go back to, and there's a waypoint for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then there's others, there's lots, though, like some threshold, yeah, the venom one, where yep, lots, where you make a choice,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and so I've actually been kind of thinking long-term about that as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay, I shouldn't actually make this character specific soul anymore, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because normally I would just do the attributes because then I don't have to worry about that on the tree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm like, with the amount of times that I respect, I should just do something like resist and mana regen because that's going to be beneficial for every character I choose no matter how many supports I think how many times it was supposed to exist.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to some of my characters and standard because why not I don't care about the ritual event and I'm like, yeah, I don't know what they chose I kind of want to like make sure that it's like the way that I would do it so I'm kind of willing to restart from scratch see yeah, but I don't care about end game right like to do you play this right character on the campaign I've done maybe five maps I mean there's no I'm trying to think of point this new one changed it didn't really change anything and game wise.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, it changed that I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's more rituals because there's rituals in every zone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they did change like how things work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned this last week because I was wrong the week before, uh, about like how they deal with, um, the arbiter stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And how you get your points for the outless passive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, my biggest,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Concern around all of that still remains the same thing that my endgame just becomes the same as what I did last league and the same as what I did last league because I don't get to I don't get to It's not a choose my adventure anymore with the Alice pass if it's just like Follow this line and eventually you have everything complete now So you didn't do much endgame then with this guy

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[SPEAKER_03]: I try to a few times, but when you're in between builds and ideas, it's tough to play something and enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're like, okay, well, I'm done with this idea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want a new idea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now, if you log in and you're like, okay, well, I only have 30 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to start my new character because I'm not sure yet, you know, I've got an idea, but I don't know exactly how I want to start.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then or at like at least play for some reason, I can't play until I know what it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know the start's going to be the same for everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's really going to be needed to sound to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't need to know, but I can't, I still can't start anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I then I log into the Smithicotaba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, but yeah, this is when I'm gonna play anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I feel like I'm kinda like, I may as well just make up my mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've actually been just in the background, but like every single time I'm with my son, he's always like, we have a date night that we do with family, I'll go out with my son, I'll go out with my daughter the next week, my wife will go out with my daughter, and I'll say, you know, so we rotate once a week, but it takes a couple of months because we do that once every two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, my turn to go with my son, all we did was talk about path two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's his ideas, my ideas and he was given me advice on mine and I was reminding him about him about things and he's like super stoked about his shaman.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Him and I both get tickled pink about the extra 120-spirit the shaman can give hand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like he's showing me his tree and he's like yeah I went with that adaptation but I didn't go the second one because I wanted to last forever I don't want the five-second duration.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, it's a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've been enjoying the experience.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just haven't been able to make up my mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I still find that I don't, it'll probably come as the game gets more balanced and as more skills come out in ascendancies, but I still find that my hands are pretty tied when it comes to how to get to certain clusters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's not a lot of different pathways to get to certain clusters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's always the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, so I'm like, okay, well, this is the cluster I really want.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now I'm like, to save my points, I need to pick clusters along that path.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, I'm going really far out of my way, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and path to taking four travel nodes to get to a cluster is it's a lot, but that's like the normal a lot, you know what I mean, whereas in paths, you would be because they're just more coming though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope so, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's, there does need to be a lot added to the tree once they add all the different weapon types and then the different like things that go with weapon types like ailments or durations or stack ability things, you know, like there is definitely needs to be added more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I hope that is predetermined in that way, like you said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know about the predetermined part what you mean about that, but my hope is that with when they do add more that they add more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: routes so that it's not like I just don't want my treat to look like everybody else's treat like give me some creativity to think through the passive tree and maybe I'm coming you know you're talking about from a warrior perspective like

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[SPEAKER_02]: your path in into that area is there is no other way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no creative way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just have to path up and write like there's just there's nothing in the the passive tree that lets you play around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah and there's certain clusters that I really want, but they just take way too long to get to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well and if you're not getting anything else on the way either like it's

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well that's that's that's a big part of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I do find that and I know that's the case in like path to some clusters you really want in the far away But in my case my trees almost always look the same despite the fact that my ideas are different like if I'm doing curses or I'm just doing minions or I'm doing yes

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[SPEAKER_03]: Unless I'm going all the way up to CI, my tree looks almost like it's always the same travel nodes all the time because there's just certain clusters with minions or this or that like there's just I'm always looking very similar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, hopefully that changes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still able to do some ideas, but I do find a lot of ideas that I want to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of restricted to to not do so anyway now I'm after talking with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am I've no idea what I want to do again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: um, nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm back on the, well, maybe the smithic atalva is good and I just do brutes and I just give up minion instability.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's your, like, if, if the smithic atalva did what you wanted it to do, what would you be doing right now in endgame though, in path of Excel too?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, would you, just map and then you just, like, do you,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a direction currently in puey to that you want to do stuff in endgame?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm I think that's where my struggle is right now is I talked about this last week I don't like the process of that list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that I got to go up to the fortress But I can't progress other things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm doing it and I got to finish that part first then come back to actually play it But do you have like I have zero goals or aspirations in the endgame?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just an answer to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it is what I all I do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same as path one Like for path one all I wanted to do is map

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, like I love boss fights, so I'd be aiming to do a boss fight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But in past one, I didn't like a lot of the mechanics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How they worked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How they interacted.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I blocked almost all of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mechanics mean.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Things like Legion or I wouldn't block blight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that might be one of the only ones delirium I would block.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just, I blocked almost every league mechanic because I didn't like either how they interacted with the map or just the interaction with my character itself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would have definitely blocked things like alva, um, Iinhar if I could, right, I wasn't a fan of those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear just ads mobbed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the Iinhar ads in path one, Iinhar ads mobs with descriptions with modifiers, where you're like, what the heck is that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, I don't know what I'm fighting here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's just like, what are those like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: on telegraphed random damage fights.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, we love robes in the friggin' spirits that possessed them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like those had those... Well, but in crazy amounts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like difficult fights, and that's what I really liked about Metamorph back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like I like the one-on-one big rare fights, big unique fights, but that is what really frustrates me about the Anarchy stuff as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what this does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I remember when Brittany was helping me figure out why I was dying to this issue, she was like oh well this modifier for the warlords has one modifier underneath it that prevents you from and I'm like oh

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[SPEAKER_03]: So don't fight anybody with this sub-mise.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it still that same way though?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like they did a decent job with one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One and a fixed one, even in path one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In path two, they still have it unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just stuff like when you fight a netizens, you don't know what that means.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing there that tells you what that means.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just says that's of whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just clicking kill it, Ty.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what I'm saying is there's in path two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They took a lot, that's sure they modified it, but they took a lot of the league mechanics from Path 1 and put them in Path 2 in their Path 2 version, cool, so they're good for Path 2, but I don't like them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not exciting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care for them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you look at Richwell for example, I don't find those fights fun for two reasons.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The game still is very busy and crazy, so for me to be in a situation where it's like a really

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not fun when you're leveling a character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe once your character's set up and you're comfortable with your damage and your mitigation find but the process is not fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the game also isn't very good at, like with crap that's in the way in the map.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I just did a map layout.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I could not on the map tell if I could walk over those leaves or if those leaves were a big bunch that I couldn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I literally, while watching gameplay, could not tell where I was allowed to go or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was staring at the mini-map the whole time and rituals do not care what is or isn't in the way so often not often but often enough to annoy me There's some sort of log or rock or something that just really bothers the experience for me

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so just, but little things like that where I'm like, I'd rather just not deal with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I could, I'd block it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in the Atlas, it's not about really blocking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've now changed it to being quadrants.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you'd like this mechanical this way, if you'd like that mechanical that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like any of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like expedition.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like breach.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like on this ritual.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would if they had more control over those secondary rares that show up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you know after you kill a bis and then you you kill enough fast enough for whatever the trigger isn't it was true?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then the ones come out they have offscreens like they haven't controlled.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hello, that's just like they don't have like those enemies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: don't have the same rules as core enemies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so they are hitting you from off-screen, like crazy, and going back to the map layout.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's like, okay, we'll shoot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't know I'm getting stuck on this tree or this route or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A business probably the one that I would like the most.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then the reward is, okay, now you've got to go to a completely separate area, right, to the cave diver, to deal with all of this stuff all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: At least when you hide out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the, all the nod.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, when you're actually cracking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So then even the reward for it, with the exception of, like, it would normally drop rares in all, like, anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's still an inconvenient thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm not doing it for the nod bones or whatever they're called.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just doing it for the drops that exist there, and then I move on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, it is really fun though to deal with their drops too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the best way to do it is when you do it in just spurts, but I think I like a bit so much because I just love all the enemies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that there's so many more mobs that I'm fighting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even to the point where sometimes the depths come up and I'm like, nah, I know I'm supposed to, but I don't want to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna move on to the next one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean that, oh, sorry, go ahead, go ahead, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was just going to say, ritual for me, my problem is actually, I wish that they kept it the way that it was in Pui1.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish that they kept it the way that they just introduced it for this event, through the campaign, specifically, I cannot stand that in endgame, it's just shit uniques.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand that, I don't understand where the rewards are just unique, it's a weird thing because I know that there's chase unique things that people get excited to get and you could find them in a ritual, but I don't know how to find like a base type that I get craft with or like yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's just weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need these garbage uniques that this is all it's going to cycle through in my hopes that I get lucky and a good one shows up I just that's my biggest problem with the ritual and they don't even vendor like uniques don't vendor nicely in the past you could stack up on Alex by vendor near uniques.

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[SPEAKER_02]: now you're stuck in the chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know the same things, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it is in the end, the chances are exactly it's to chase a unique that you write.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not like you're getting something that's helping the global part of your character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I get that, you know, vendor unique encourages getting a unique like that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you're not looking for one, you know, well, your chances are like so astronomically tiny of actually getting it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's still in that state like I've had to some drops or I'm like, oh, yeah, no, John, and then this game needs a loop filter where it's just like tons drops and you're like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but another thing that I didn't like about ritual was the extra damage that comes from the actual ritual, not the enemies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like waves or chaos.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that's from the first game, too, but that's not why I play the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I want to fight an enemy, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not looking to fight the environment in the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but again, like I didn't mean to go on that you I was just answering your question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't trying to like Disce the end game or or leagues or mechanics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got that that wasn't any part of the intention.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just answering your question as to what my motivation was an end game and the None of the league mechanics interest me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there is nothing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just for the sake of mapping and killing mapping and killing that's the base

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[SPEAKER_03]: But is there, like, I have for you to, like, fill out the analyst?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, I'm going to do, like, I'm going to keep going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to redo the same notes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always going to go for the next blue note.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go for the next big, cool thing that looks cool there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not, like, I'll do the base quests.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not looking to expand any of the league mechanics stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But would you bear doing the fortress specifically so that you can get more outless points or, like, sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then again, what am I getting from that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: When everybody gets the exact same thing, I'm not getting anything special.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing anything to progress my character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you aren't to progress in the character, because you're making the content harder, and you're getting harder stuff, it's just, I think the thing that I just don't like is, I, I'm not giving much choice in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it'll come when it comes, so what's, what's my motivation?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing anything unique, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, I'll click the next blue dot in a way I go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's too bad their campaign wasn't shorter and more fun because then I could it's a funny plan through while I was like it's so weird that I'm enjoying the process that I say I hate in Path of Exile which is this slow grind to the to the the cap level but I think the difference is

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[SPEAKER_02]: In POE, my game is the end game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like an ARPG is, at least for me, I want to have my character and I want to progress them into harder content.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't enjoy the process of getting to that stage, because I don't count the campaign, I don't know why.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't count the campaign as the part of like building up my character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I count that as the part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, this is the steps I just have to take to get to where I can start building my character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but that's also probably because my character doesn't feel like my character until I get them up into the higher levels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just, the campaign is rudely long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's way too long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't make more characters in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious how it's going to go because they probably can't really fix that until they have all their acts out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you're going to have short cuts or consistency or static things that repeating users can recognize and makes the campaign quicker, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, different things like Path of Exile 1 has all these little hints of where to go or what to do or what you're looking for is in this direction, but it's done in art or where the rocks are pointing or something like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: maybe path to will have more of that once they have all their acts out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, apparently that's what they did with this point five, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the, yeah, no, it's still, how many, like, I didn't do all those, like, quote-unquote, all the plus sign quests where your character gets something, whether it's Dex or Rez or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, that's not like I still have to do a lot of exploring for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean, find out where this person is, find out where that is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I still don't think that I'm at, you know, I've done the campaign off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now where I feel like I could or should, maybe I'm not paying enough attention.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm paying too much attention to my character progress.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, give more time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Still have a few more months until the game's fully and completely released years of playing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, some of the stuff you and I joked about the ledge,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Neither of us knew about the legend until we were years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We might have been doing the podcast actually by the time that we learned that, oh, you used to have a segment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What I remember that segment that was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was always like, did you know, but it was like us not realizing something until it was like, we're using the right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, there's something else I want to bring up before we stop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but it's going to subject completely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was going to actually just ask you if anything happened this week in PUE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you would change a subject, what we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, this was after we recorded last week, but before the episode came out, came out, I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: D5 is announced.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, D5?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They announced that D4 is getting no more updates and you know how Diablo works right like they have their core game, but you have to pay for updates, but you only get the newest like patches and updates if you have the newest expansion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: no way really yeah yeah so that's how they've always done in the past and their expansions that you pay for also include whatever new classes or yeah they would always so you it's like a pay to but you would get the updates to the game like basic updates or no fixes or whatever you just might not get like the new characters or whatever

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they actually, I mean, I never played D4.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how it worked in D3.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And from what I've read, maybe it's incorrect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is also how it worked in D4.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You would get patches up until the last patch, up until the point of release of the newest purchase.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I played D4, but I don't remember any expansions, because I'd stop at that point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've said there's no more expansions for D4 and now they're moving forward on D5 and that's coming out in three years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Three years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was what it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh crap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me double check.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How do people get excited about something?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, well, so here I have that's that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When if you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're looking that out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if Pad of Exile announced in 2019 and said we're going to be releasing at the end of 2026, you wouldn't have had the same cheers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird to get excited about three years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's too long for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, announced September 12, D5 scheduled to be released spring 2029, that was announced at BlizzCon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a weird, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, agreed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Path of exile was originally made by two, three, four, D, two lovers that whether or not D, three impacted this choice, they wanted more of D, two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They had started writing that, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So whatever whatever the situation is, they loved D, two, wanted more of D, two, maybe in their own little way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe make changes just for the sake of that it's a little different, even though you like how it wasn't D2 better, whatever it is, they made their game start a small, start of the garage, and it got so, so big that now their game is talked about synonymously with what they originally were, the mass of company at the time, that was making their beloved game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But now, like this is all just hearsay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is just me looking into this situation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But now you get this company, GGG that started off just with that small little motivation to have a good game, just like themselves, a game, a D2, a forever D2 game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now it seems like Blizzard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is panicking over GG compete with them like yeah like they had this announcement at a very specific time right coming out like they now know like Blizzcon who knows when Blizzcon was always going to happen or not but there's nothing happening for GGG until the one point over lease so now you have Diablo

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[SPEAKER_03]: specifically saying, Hey, look for D5 in the hype.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, but still before now have two comes out, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, but why now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why does Blizzard now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: All of a sudden, like, there's three years left.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you say no, we're not making any more updates for three more years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a norm for them, though, because I don't really know their company that well, but I feel like that fits what they would do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they're coming out with D5 early in comparison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So hang on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what was it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me early in what regard?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like what do you mean when you say early?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like in comparison to not shoot is D5 coming out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a I was reading an article that was talking about how lizards coming out with D5 a lot earlier than they expected.

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[SPEAKER_03]: then they were expecting like they've done like some mass of mass of revamps to how d4 works and end game works and all everything like they completely revamped the game based on how it was when it first came out and then for them to all of a sudden just like no not anymore and then in three years this is where development team is going i forget what the what the details were anyway it just and that's all i guess that's not really an important part of the conversation because at the end of the day just seems like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now Blizzard's revolving around GGG as opposed to GGG just, you know, was there not even ever expecting to compare themselves?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What the five is or do you know if there was any video of it or was it just like I didn't look at them?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't interest me if there was so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Diablo hasn't been fun super fun for me since D2 anyway, like I played D3 a ton and I did like D3 But it burned out quite quickly and then D4 I did just couldn't get into Diablo 4 that being said I I do love cinematics I think they are probably still the best in the game like their cinematics are just they've always been credible Yeah, I feel like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it would be interesting to see, but it is a bit funny that I didn't know like three years though, come on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's pretty crazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it just seemed like, I don't know, to completely just fall stop as opposed to, yeah, we're going to continue but hey, check this out three years away.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's that's that's that's that's a big

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like that seems like pressure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe, but also a weird answer to that pressure be like, don't worry, what answer in three years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, that's kind of what GGG did do, right, with path to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then, nobody wanted, like, they didn't want the development to take this long, but it's still the same kind of thing, where it's like, yeah, it's coming out and it's coming out in a long time, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and then, hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So did anything happen this week in puey?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just looking at stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They had that class path one qualifier And then there's doing mtx and they're having a sale pass the milestone This is the one that Logan versus why he registered Yeah, oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got a long way to go for that scourge-born bore pet Ooh, I do want the sole sole flame portal though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry I clicked on your other links is now steam deck verified

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've guys in discord that we're playing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they definitely were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well now it's verified.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's fair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't have those thighs just in the rest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just in time for the full release time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Larry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, I mean, take out all the nonsense that I was saying about the Blizzard stuff, but still it's it's interesting to see take it like to compare.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like Blizzard and GGG now, you know, even prior to past two being announced or with the past two announcement, D4 was just announced at that time.

01:00:11.143 --> 01:00:12.824
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they'd been competing with that.

01:00:12.904 --> 01:00:19.888
[SPEAKER_03]: And then GGG came out with their thing and then they came out with shape shifting and then D4 had a trailer of shape shifting.

01:00:19.908 --> 01:00:22.549
[SPEAKER_03]: And like it was all like, oh, what's going to be next?

01:00:22.569 --> 01:00:23.390
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going to be next?

01:00:23.430 --> 01:00:27.632
[SPEAKER_03]: And then of course, D4 comes out past two as light years away kind of thing.

01:00:28.372 --> 01:00:39.240
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just, anyway, just one of those things where I was like, almost like they were equals and competing against each other, which is a phenomenal feat for a company like GGG that just started off in a grad.

01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:54.210
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really good for us as the consumer, because having them competing with each other and taking good ideas from each other only means that in the end, whatever you decide to play, you're getting the benefit of the other one that they're competing against, which is great.

01:00:55.890 --> 01:01:06.054
[SPEAKER_03]: So it'd be interesting to see how this goes forward and who's chasing who after this point because I think at some point I mean you always want to pay attention to your competitors, but does GGG even care anymore?

01:01:06.554 --> 01:01:09.015
[SPEAKER_03]: D 400 is such a different pig definitely do.

01:01:10.235 --> 01:01:35.776
[SPEAKER_03]: in terms of numbers, but in terms of like the ARPG experience is very different, very, very different, like D4 when in a very different direction, then D3 and that D2 is in like it, you know, but you can still see where they pull from each other, like so D4 comes out goes in a different direction and you can see some of the things out of that in POE2 and you can like, that's why I think it's fun because there was a camera which one it was if it was last

01:01:37.569 --> 01:01:39.370
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was listening to somebody talk about it.

01:01:39.870 --> 01:01:44.573
[SPEAKER_02]: And it made me laugh at the idea that they were like, well, that's, they stole that from Path of Excel.

01:01:44.633 --> 01:01:45.894
[SPEAKER_02]: They stole that from Diablo.

01:01:45.914 --> 01:01:53.798
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, but everybody just took the ideas from everybody else and made them the way that they wanted them to be, like, that's really good for us as the player.

01:01:54.378 --> 01:01:58.000
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it means we're getting an upgraded version of whatever it is that we're doing each time.

01:01:58.060 --> 01:02:00.622
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how car companies work.

01:02:00.662 --> 01:02:02.843
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how people that build micro waves work.

01:02:02.883 --> 01:02:05.964
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how, like, that's how every competitor works

01:02:07.305 --> 01:02:07.725
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

01:02:08.206 --> 01:02:11.227
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I don't, I don't like, I mean, whatever.

01:02:11.247 --> 01:02:20.171
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a surprise that I wouldn't like an announcement that's like, just wait in three years, come on, that's not my thing, but no, it's not a note.

01:02:20.591 --> 01:02:23.572
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially considering how much is going to change.

01:02:23.632 --> 01:02:32.696
[SPEAKER_03]: I like even Blizzard was, their full product when it came to be fully released ended up being nothing like what it eventually turned out to be.

01:02:33.216 --> 01:02:40.782
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not one where this, I'm a lot less hyped about things than I used to be considering how much can change now.

01:02:41.283 --> 01:02:43.464
[SPEAKER_03]: And even post post official launch.

01:02:44.345 --> 01:02:46.046
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah.

01:02:46.086 --> 01:02:47.527
[SPEAKER_03]: Either way, I thought it was interesting.

01:02:47.808 --> 01:02:51.090
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt like GGG pushing Blizzard around, which I was like, alright.

01:02:51.110 --> 01:02:51.631
[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty fun.

01:02:51.791 --> 01:02:52.511
[SPEAKER_03]: Good for you guys.

01:02:52.551 --> 01:02:53.172
[SPEAKER_03]: Good for you guys.

01:02:53.712 --> 01:02:53.953
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

01:02:55.013 --> 01:02:56.635
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, see you later.

01:02:57.055 --> 01:02:58.236
[SPEAKER_02]: See you later.

01:02:59.797 --> 01:03:00.759
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is not much.

01:03:00.859 --> 01:03:06.471
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we're just waiting to hear if we haven't even heard like did they say if they're coming out with 3.3?

01:03:06.531 --> 01:03:06.812
[SPEAKER_02]: 3.3?

01:03:06.932 --> 01:03:09.798
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was in the Q&A's that we don't.

01:03:10.767 --> 01:03:13.229
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, but we haven't seen any announcements from them, right?

01:03:13.750 --> 01:03:15.551
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it would be funny though, speaking with Q&A.

01:03:15.591 --> 01:03:16.412
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a quick thing.

01:03:17.253 --> 01:03:30.444
[SPEAKER_03]: I get annoyed in path too, but like, hey, I need to go to this person to ID, I need to go to this person to disenchant and then I need to go over here to the nineties, go to the bench to get rid of my socket items that I picked up.

01:03:30.524 --> 01:03:34.227
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like three stops until I get to my stash and it's a pain in the butt.

01:03:34.327 --> 01:03:36.789
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking that they should just have an NPC that does it all?

01:03:37.810 --> 01:03:41.891
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a lore based NPC, just the sweet merchant, right?

01:03:41.931 --> 01:03:43.191
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a good merchant that does it.

01:03:43.211 --> 01:03:47.032
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought it would be hilarious if they added like Ziggy D as a merchant.

01:03:47.052 --> 01:03:54.654
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just all, but every time you clicked on a good day, Ziggy D here, however, like I'm trying to impersonate him, but I thought that would be hilarious.

01:03:54.714 --> 01:04:01.955
[SPEAKER_03]: Have a Ziggy D NPC merchant in the game that just does all your, all your, like,

01:04:09.378 --> 01:04:12.721
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim's Divcards, I don't think she's a Divcards, but whatever.

01:04:13.081 --> 01:04:16.965
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever watch Reckett Ralph, I think it was the second one where he takes on the internet?

01:04:17.345 --> 01:04:17.625
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:04:17.885 --> 01:04:18.166
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:04:18.706 --> 01:04:23.030
[SPEAKER_02]: Reckett Ralph, at one point, they go to the center of the internet or something.

01:04:23.050 --> 01:04:25.232
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember, but there's like a little person that they talked to.

01:04:25.552 --> 01:04:28.915
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a person that's like the librarian or the, um, yes.

01:04:29.255 --> 01:04:32.198
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember what the word is, but you know what they need.

01:04:32.798 --> 01:04:52.039
[SPEAKER_02]: they need what I would love is give me what you're talking about this one stop make it the that version of the guy or um what was the Microsoft pencil clip um paper yes version of whatever right yeah give me that and let me ask questions and I couldn't care less if you use AI to make this work

01:04:52.620 --> 01:04:55.723
[SPEAKER_02]: but make it also your lower librarian.

01:04:55.823 --> 01:05:05.852
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can ask it a question, and if it exists in a conversation that's happened somewhere else in the game, this guy can pull that information and who can cat noodle works for them now.

01:05:06.273 --> 01:05:11.057
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so, I mean, I'm sure that they already knew they're on lower, but if not, she can help.

01:05:11.358 --> 01:05:15.962
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, give me that person that I can just ask a question and be like, why did this happen?

01:05:16.062 --> 01:05:16.542
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this,

01:05:17.183 --> 01:05:18.704
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if it's in Ziggy D's voice either.

01:05:19.004 --> 01:05:21.886
[SPEAKER_02]: Just talk me through what's happening in the world right now.

01:05:22.346 --> 01:05:23.607
[SPEAKER_02]: I could still do my merchant stuff.

01:05:23.627 --> 01:05:24.908
[SPEAKER_02]: I could still get you to ID stuff.

01:05:25.008 --> 01:05:31.332
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I want to ask you a question, I don't need to have a scroll of all the options of things I could ask about.

01:05:32.267 --> 01:05:32.888
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me type it.

01:05:33.508 --> 01:05:34.609
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me have a conversation.

01:05:34.629 --> 01:05:35.570
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's the direction.

01:05:35.610 --> 01:05:36.071
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like.

01:05:37.412 --> 01:05:39.574
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who my person, Dory Annie.

01:05:40.075 --> 01:05:40.295
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:05:40.575 --> 01:05:41.576
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is he keep coming back?

01:05:41.716 --> 01:05:46.361
[SPEAKER_02]: How come, um, what's, what's the one in the first one that just, or is it in the second one that just won't die?

01:05:47.662 --> 01:05:48.182
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the girl?

01:05:48.222 --> 01:05:48.883
[SPEAKER_02]: What's her name?

01:05:48.963 --> 01:05:51.566
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pie deck three, pie.

01:05:51.606 --> 01:05:53.327
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why will she not die?

01:05:53.407 --> 01:05:53.988
[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on?

01:05:54.008 --> 01:05:54.869
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not my fault.

01:05:54.929 --> 01:05:55.790
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Malachi's.

01:05:58.272 --> 01:05:59.493
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's wrap this up.

01:05:59.953 --> 01:06:01.774
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know where we got on to with that.

01:06:01.974 --> 01:06:06.017
[SPEAKER_02]: Forever XL, 363, I'm just naked eggs, and I'm Tyler record of days.

01:06:06.657 --> 01:06:08.098
[SPEAKER_02]: Patrons will see you in After Dark everybody.

01:06:08.118 --> 01:06:09.879
[SPEAKER_02]: Also see you next week in 364.

01:06:09.939 --> 01:06:15.383
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a website forever XL.com, very fun discord pop in, say hello, and Patreon on the way to put podcasts.

01:06:15.403 --> 01:06:19.145
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll find them all over the place, kind of a big deal.

01:06:19.766 --> 01:06:20.186
[SPEAKER_02]: Word.

01:06:20.286 --> 01:06:20.726
[SPEAKER_02]: That's everything.

01:06:20.926 --> 01:06:21.147
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

01:06:21.647 --> 01:06:21.847
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.